PVP bad terrible - needs a RE WORK

NO i dont expect it to be right now im saying as the game trims fat and makes updates it should evolve into good pvp systems. Currently this cannot happen and the whole system needs a re work.

I'm sure as adults you know, when more than a handful of ppl start talking.. you should probably look in the mirror.
The current system is so so so bad, i commend them for trying something new, but lets be real, pvp is simple.... we dont need all this fluff safety crap in it. Just make it how it usually is. either separate servers or wow.. imagine FACTIONS!?

NO i dont expect it to be right now im saying as the game trims fat and makes updates it should evolve into good pvp.
currently this cannot happen and the whole system needs a re work. PVP and PVE are the foundations of this games core, and only one side is functioning. They should def fix OR address this before new year otherwise i dont have high hopes for the longevity of it.. sadly..

tldr: Open world pvp is hard to get in a game in 2025... and not many offer it or do it in a good way.. and this game can have that but the current system makes it awful and is bottlenecking the amount of content/fun/engagement.

anyways loooking forward to a real pvp system and real pvp encounters. not this terribly designed confusing crap

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

Its_Me

c0done wrote: »

NO i dont expect it to be right now im saying as the game trims fat and makes updates it should evolve into good pvp systems. Currently this cannot happen and the whole system needs a re work.

I disagree.

This is alpha two and screaming that the sky is falling and something has to be deleted (statement you made in another post) or completely reworked during the initial testing of a system that Steven has already stated that he has intentionally overtuned, and where we know there are mechanics not yet in game that are meant to be a part of the system, and where we are aware of bugs and issues that need to be worked on is just silly for a tester.

MincVinyl

c0done wrote: »

the whole system needs a re work. PVP and PVE are the foundations of this games core, and only one side is functioning. They should def fix OR address this before new year otherwise i dont have high hopes for the longevity of it.. sadly..

What do you see not functioning in the future. Many games have had the flag on/off system. This concept wise just softens the line. Instead of being able to separate yourself into a pve echochamber by staying unflagged forever, this system keeps everyone interactive in pve and pvp which gives more meaning to farming and other systems. >> keeping the playerbase from splitting and developing two different games.

The current system is aiming to mimic the flag on/off system with the exception where players can corrupt(at a cost) to bypass this system and attack anyone. Balance wise how it is planned to play out is like citizens vs boxers vs serial killers. Citizens want to just go about their day, boxers may fight each other, but not citizens. Serial killers go after anyone. >> This works so long as they work out what turns you into a serial killer.

How about instead of giving up this early into develop, you help find and point out loopholes. and ideas how to fix them

mount baiting >> cant spawn mounts in combat?
Mob training >> better aggro mechanics?
Combat logging >> leave timers
Losing gear and respawning with corruption >> instead of losing gear, drop more mats and currency OR make corruption tiered such that at 50% corruption you risk dropping gear higher and higher and upon death you return to 49% corruption. Blight(repeated killers) gain corruption faster.

c0done

apocrisy

Out of one weekend test I managed to get corrupted because a thief that stole my loot didn't attack me back and we were both purple at level 6, or because he turned green last second somehow without me noticing it. I immediately became corrupted and dropped gear.
If this happens also at higher levels than this is an issue, as one measely kill is enough to grief yourself and it's a bit overtuned. 2 or 3 kills should be a reasonable threshold though.

Superthrive

I agree. PvP is really bad as it is now. Make PvP simple. Trying to regulate PvP reminds me of anti gun laws. Criminals just get away with more and people cant fight back.

Pyrolol

It isn’t the greatest alpha for PvP, maybe make some big areas more contested (corruption free) with higher rewards there but more risk?

Its_Me

Pyrolol wrote: »

It isn’t the greatest alpha for PvP, maybe make some big areas more contested (corruption free) with higher rewards there but more risk?

There are lawless areas if that is what you are referring to?

Pyrolol

Its_Me wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

It isn’t the greatest alpha for PvP, maybe make some big areas more contested (corruption free) with higher rewards there but more risk?

There are lawless areas if that is what you are referring to?

Yes, but I heard they are only temporary and will not be available after Naval combat gets released. Also, should make more of them or bigger area instead of just one area if they want to promote world PvP

Its_Me

Pyrolol wrote: »

Its_Me wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

It isn’t the greatest alpha for PvP, maybe make some big areas more contested (corruption free) with higher rewards there but more risk?

There are lawless areas if that is what you are referring to?

Yes, but I heard they are only temporary and will not be available after Naval combat gets released. Also, should make more of them or bigger area instead of just one area if they want to promote world PvP

Steven's vision is that these zones are lawless until settled which is around the time we see the open world seas which will be an automatic flagged location.

Steven is trying hard to balance his PVE and PVP playerbase so while the open seas will be rewarding those that like to engage in PVP or at least take on that risk, I doubt he will also be making full time lawless land zones with better monsters or drops as this would likely result in a lot of tension with PVE players complaining unfair bias and treatment in his PVX world😲

With that said, I do think we will see temporary lawless areas every time he increases the map size and the zones will remain lawless until settled so we will see some of this, I just do not think it will be permanent.

All speculation of course.....

Veeshan

We have factions :P your node is a faction and ur guild a faction

we do need flag icons for each node next to player tags though imo :P u dont wanna kill ur fellow citizens cause shitting in your backyard is never a good idea. :P

I know when i know if a player is part of my node im definetly less likely to attack them compared to somone else

Its_Me

Veeshan wrote: »

We have factions :P your node is a faction and ur guild a faction we do need flag icons for each node next to player tags though imo :P u dont wanna kill ur fellow citizens cause shitting in your backyard is never a good idea. :P

I know when i know if a player is part of my node im definetly less likely to attack them compared to somone else

I am not certain what this is in reference to in this thread but I do have a question...

I have not heard that it would be impossible to engage someone that has citizenship in the same node that you do. has this been formally mentioned somewhere?

wakkytabbaky

post number 654,367 about how pvp is broken or bad yet all the different systems tying into how pvp should work are not even implemented yet

CROW3

wakkytabbaky wrote: »

post number 654,367 about how pvp is broken or bad yet all the different systems tying into how pvp should work are not even implemented yet

From a product perspective, the overreaction to pvp (even when it's not the focus of this phase) is better than no response.

Pyrolol

If he tries to make everyone happy it will fail, its a PvX game, I know its an alpha but at moment its feeling more like PvEx

Veeshan

Its_Me wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

We have factions :P your node is a faction and ur guild a faction we do need flag icons for each node next to player tags though imo :P u dont wanna kill ur fellow citizens cause shitting in your backyard is never a good idea. :P

I know when i know if a player is part of my node im definetly less likely to attack them compared to somone else

I am not certain what this is in reference to in this thread but I do have a question...

I have not heard that it would be impossible to engage someone that has citizenship in the same node that you do. has this been formally mentioned somewhere?

you can engage people in your own node but why would you, causing conflict with people in ur backyard is an issue that slow 1 node progress, 2 your own progress cause no u gotta watch ur back for that guild wanting revenge it just not a good idea to do.

Your can attack them but unless you have realy realy realy good reason too you probaly shouldnt, your dont shit where you eat :P

SmileGurney

This seems like another post about "I cannot live without consequences of my actions, and this makes me sad".

RedLeader1

I don't know what the problem is, because he never really articulates it.

Your node is your faction. Apart from castle nodes/guild Wars where your Guild is your faction. Until you become a citizen of a Node, you are factionless. Within your Node, you are very close to being on a PvE server. In a independent POI or the FFA zones, you pretty much are on a PvP server. If you like PvE more, then stay in your Node's "Zone of control" or follow your Node's PvP players. If there are 2 groups going the kill Highwaymen, then make your own PvE group and follow them! They cant attack you, so they are effectively defending you.

If you are a PvP player then be sensible, open world PvP doesn't need a lot of testing, and it disrupts PvE testing. Either help testing the structured PvP, or take a break.

There is a long way to go, and everything needs to be balanced, and a lot of systems have to be added, and some may even need to be removed and are just there for testing.

Everyone just needs to hang in there and if you can, be a little more constructive in your criticism.

Caeryl

Isn't this just copy-pasted from another thread? Doesn't look like anything new

wakkytabbaky

CROW3 wrote: »

wakkytabbaky wrote: »

post number 654,367 about how pvp is broken or bad yet all the different systems tying into how pvp should work are not even implemented yet

From a product perspective, the overreaction to pvp (even when it's not the focus of this phase) is better than no response.

yes however feedback about things that dont work properly when all the systems arent even in place yet is useless

its like giving feedback about how a building burnt down and how it could have been prevented when the fire alarms and detection systems werent even installed yet

CROW3

wakkytabbaky wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

wakkytabbaky wrote: »

post number 654,367 about how pvp is broken or bad yet all the different systems tying into how pvp should work are not even implemented yet

From a product perspective, the overreaction to pvp (even when it's not the focus of this phase) is better than no response.

yes however feedback about things that dont work properly when all the systems arent even in place yet is useless

its like giving feedback about how a building burnt down and how it could have been prevented when the fire alarms and detection systems werent even installed yet

Sure, but I'm assuming they are filtering feedback accordingly even if the forums are swirling.

Child Item