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UntypicalUntypical Member, Alpha Two
in General Discussion
Hello, Ashe community.

there is a general issue that needs to be addressed.

Some players are exploiting the game by leading high-level mobs to low-level players or aggroing a lot of mobs into parties.
causing their deaths without engaging in PvP and bypassing the corruption system.

There are two issues:
1. They steal the resources you farm,
2. They avoid all penalties for their actions..

Even with a grace timer, it is nearly impossible to respond in time when farming in remote locations.

This exploitation will likely escalate, especially once the rogue becomes available, with players targeting everyone.

Could you please clarify if, and how this issue will be addressed?

Many thanks.





Comments

  • Ebro EpaitoEbro Epaito Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 27
    Someone once said "the greatest thing about MMO's are the people and the worst thing about MMO's are the people"
    All MMO's have douche bag players, if you ever played UO prior to Trammel PK's were rampant and what's worse they would run with "blue" healers that would turn "grey" but it sucked getting PK'ed in a full loot game...
  • UntypicalUntypical Member, Alpha Two
    it's not about PK, I support PK to the fullest.
    it's about abusing the game and bypassing the limitations.
    when the rogue comes out it can become a strategy if it's allowed.
  • pyrealpyreal Member, Warrior of Old, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 27
    Mudkip is doing this on Lyneth at HH.
    He's lvl 25, and was dragging multiple three star elites into our group, blinking away, and dashing back in to loot our corpses as soon as we got wiped.

    Thankfully one of our party members was recording and so sent in a griefing report.
  • UntypicalUntypical Member, Alpha Two
    pyreal wrote: »
    Mudkip is doing this on Lyneth at HH.
    He's lvl 25, and was dragging multiple three star elites into our group, blinking away, and dashing back in to loot our corpses as soon as we got wiped.

    Thankfully one of our party members was recording and so sent in a griefing report.
    how did he report I have some to report too, and the question is if they are allowing it as part of the game or it's considered bluntly griefing.
  • Savic ProsperitySavic Prosperity Member, Alpha Two
    Untypical wrote: »
    pyreal wrote: »
    Mudkip is doing this on Lyneth at HH.
    He's lvl 25, and was dragging multiple three star elites into our group, blinking away, and dashing back in to loot our corpses as soon as we got wiped.

    Thankfully one of our party members was recording and so sent in a griefing report.
    how did he report I have some to report too, and the question is if they are allowing it as part of the game or it's considered bluntly griefing.

    would be curious where you report it too
    as for how its griefing, if they were testing the limits of the borked aggro system they would only do it once as a stretch twice, and frankly wouldnt really bother to loot peoples glint since if they were wanting to steal peoples glint or wanted the spot the system is intended for you to fight them in pvp not using mobs to avoid the corruption system
  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Ya I have had a good time messed up by this.
  • UntypicalUntypical Member, Alpha Two
    Savic Prosperity wrote: »
    Untypical wrote: »
    pyreal wrote: »
    Mudkip is doing this on Lyneth at HH.
    He's lvl 25, and was dragging multiple three star elites into our group, blinking away, and dashing back in to loot our corpses as soon as we got wiped.

    Thankfully one of our party members was recording and so sent in a griefing report.
    how did he report I have some to report too, and the question is if they are allowing it as part of the game or it's considered bluntly griefing.

    would be curious where you report it too
    as for how its griefing, if they were testing the limits of the borked aggro system they would only do it once as a stretch twice, and frankly wouldnt really bother to loot peoples glint since if they were wanting to steal peoples glint or wanted the spot the system is intended for you to fight them in pvp not using mobs to avoid the corruption system

    I reported inside a bug report
  • excidiusexcidius Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 28
    To be honest if training mobs into groups in an attempt to get players killed without engaging in pvp is not considered griefing possibly even exploiting it is one of the few things I will probably consider as making this game not for me (at launch), I can deal with it in an alpha (for now at least) and I can handle the fact that occasionally someone might do this trying to keep themself alive not as a griefing or exploitive behaviour but when you see people doing this 10 hours a day multiple days a week at that point it is pretty clear they are doing it on purpose and are a bad actor who needs to be dealt with.
    These people also tend to loot you and if attacked alt+F4 or log out to character and back in to drop their flag which is another exploit when used solely for the purpose of avoiding the 1-2 minute flag timer INTENDED by the game.

    This is the kind of behaviour that will see many casual players quit and for the long term health of the game casual players are needed
  • AgripinensiaAgripinensia Member, Alpha Two
    Untypical wrote: »
    it's not about PK, I support PK to the fullest.
    it's about abusing the game and bypassing the limitations.
    when the rogue comes out it can become a strategy if it's allowed.

    This is the problem.
    Didn't see this thread for some reason when i made the other one.

    You can't PK them bc the corruption system f-s you if you do.
    You can't ignore them because they will continuously pull mobs through your group.
    You can't declare war because they are not in a guild.
    excidius wrote: »
    To be honest if training mobs into groups in an attempt to get players killed without engaging in pvp is not considered griefing possibly even exploiting it is one of the few things I will probably consider as making this game not for me (at launch), I can deal with it in an alpha (for now at least) and I can handle the fact that occasionally someone might do this trying to keep themself alive not as a griefing or exploitive behaviour but when you see people doing this 10 hours a day multiple days a week at that point it is pretty clear they are doing it on purpose and are a bad actor who needs to be dealt with.
    These people also tend to loot you and if attacked alt+F4 or log out to character and back in to drop their flag which is another exploit when used solely for the purpose of avoiding the 1-2 minute flag timer INTENDED by the game.

    This is the kind of behaviour that will see many casual players quit and for the long term health of the game casual players are needed

    This is how I see it as well.
    I also can't see how it is helpful in any way.
    They have effectively shut down carphin for 2 weeks now on our realm.
    And here "Inaction is action".
    You tell them that you reported them but they don't care as they think (so far correctly) that nothing will happen to them.

    Steven and Intrepid said, that they want to be strict when it comes to griefing. So please are!
    Yes, sometimes you run away and pull a mob group into another player group accidentally - that is not what this is! They do it deliberately and even post in chat that they will "shut down carphin for maintenance"!
  • RymRym Member, Alpha Two
    They will likely wake up with their characters "missing" soon, sooner than dec 20th.
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  • AgripinensiaAgripinensia Member, Alpha Two
    Thing is, that this needs to be communicated explicitly - it would also be good to have an option to report harassment and abuse.

    And people really seem to think (at least they say so) that this doesn't constitute exploiting/harassing players.
  • pyrealpyreal Member, Warrior of Old, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Untypical wrote: »
    pyreal wrote: »
    Mudkip is doing this on Lyneth at HH.
    He's lvl 25, and was dragging multiple three star elites into our group, blinking away, and dashing back in to loot our corpses as soon as we got wiped.

    Thankfully one of our party members was recording and so sent in a griefing report.
    how did he report I have some to report too, and the question is if they are allowing it as part of the game or it's considered bluntly griefing.

    I'm assuming through the bug report screen but I'm not sure.
  • ShivaFangShivaFang Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 30
    Untypical wrote: »
    Some players are exploiting the game by leading high-level mobs to low-level players or aggroing a lot of mobs into parties.
    causing their deaths without engaging in PvP and bypassing the corruption system.

    Flag up and puppeteer the trainer, then 'misdirection' to drop your aggro. (If you are a bard of course)

    The trainer will be quickly swarmed by the enemies.

    This is exactly the kind of thing the open world pvp solves. You have no recourse at all without it.

    If that griefer is in a guild then get your allies together for a war declaration. These types of players crumple to a war dec every time I've seen it done.
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