Another reason you should not drop stuff in PvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlgGXjqpss

This jerk likes looking for people just going AFK. Drag mobs to them and get them killed so he can loot their glint. You flag purple for a few min, thats not long enough IMO. Please reconsider this or make it if you drag mobs you get a threat level that this is not possible. Thanks!

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CROW3

No. Here's the necessary adjustment: Do not go AFK outside of a town in Ashes.

nanfoodle

CROW3 wrote: »

No. Here's the necessary adjustment: Do not go AFK outside of a town in Ashes.

Thats call greifing. In the video one guy climbed 1/2 up a mountain to go afk. Managed to drag mobs to him. IMO you should get a perma ban for doing this repeatedly.

CROW3

Yes, mob training needs to be fixed, we know this. But I don't think players need to stay purple longer after looting another player, and killing an AFK player isn't the problem.

Shoklen

I feel 1 minutes isn't nearly enough time to take revenge on someone looting your ashes. It can take, minimally, 5 minutes to get back to your pile; and if you are out in the woods, 10+. 1 minutes is a nothing slap on the wrist. Make it 10 minutes. Not that you 'have too' pvp them when you get back, but the option should be there (outside going corrupt).

I was running by a mage fighting a 3 star and he was almost dead.. I tossed him a few heals and saved his life.. The npc popped me with a fireball and in instantly died. A few seconds later the mage's group appeared and they finished the fight. Another party member saw my ashes, ran over and looted me. Nice big pile of copper/zinc they got. My good deed cost me 25% of my metals, and a death (so 50%). Out in the middle of the forest, I never went back for the remaining metal. Moral of the story, don't help people out of party (outside the noob area). Not even a res from their cleric.

nanfoodle

CROW3 wrote: »

Yes, mob training needs to be fixed, we know this. But I don't think players need to stay purple longer after looting another player, and killing an AFK player isn't the problem.

He trains them to loot their courpes. He is taking advantage and flags purple so their can be consequences that's risks versus reward. If after a couple of minutes your purple flag drops then there's no risk the person doesn't have time to run back to where their body was by then. They don't get a change to take back what's theirs. That speaks to the systems that Steven said he wanted to impart in this game.

CROW3

A few things - mainly predictions (but let’s see):
- I don’t think Ashes will go live without a fix for mob training
- I don’t think (but you can poke me if I’m wrong) that the end state of corruption will result in a player going red after killing one green

So if these are true, then:
- if you’re dead and are looted before you get back, you can try to find and kill the purple thief
- If the purple thief is green, you can kill him
- Get some buddies and KoS the thief
- If the node is consistently too dangerous, find a group, go to a different node, or set a different batch size for how much you gather before you head back to town.

But first rule of thumb - do NOT go AFK in the wilderness.

Zapatos80

Shoklen wrote: »

I feel 1 minutes isn't nearly enough time to take revenge on someone looting your ashes. It can take, minimally, 5 minutes to get back to your pile; and if you are out in the woods, 10+. 1 minutes is a nothing slap on the wrist. Make it 10 minutes. Not that you 'have too' pvp them when you get back, but the option should be there (outside going corrupt).

Big true, loot-combattant flag should be at least 5 minutes.

nanfoodle

CROW3 wrote: »

A few things - mainly predictions (but let’s see):
- I don’t think Ashes will go live without a fix for mob training
- I don’t think (but you can poke me if I’m wrong) that the end state of corruption will result in a player going red after killing one green

So if these are true, then:
- if you’re dead and are looted before you get back, you can try to find and kill the purple thief
- If the purple thief is green, you can kill him
- Get some buddies and KoS the thief
- If the node is consistently too dangerous, find a group, go to a different node, or set a different batch size for how much you gather before you head back to town.

But first rule of thumb - do NOT go AFK in the wilderness.

I agree going afk is a risk but this is rewarding greafers. If they train someone to get loot from them. At minimum they need to be taking a risk. There is none now with this situation. I'm 100% positive IS will come up with something fair.

Dolyem

One thing that could put an end to mob training is allowing non-combatants to be CCed by players. Just root them and watch the mobs melt them. Only flip side to this is you could just as easily CC someone close to death while theyre fighting a mob and not suffer consequences.

Drazard

a fix for this could be a significant reduction to threat modifier to members outside of the party of whomever generates initial threat of a mob. so pulling threat from someone outside of your party becomes much harder

Veeshan

just make corruption less punishing so we can just solve the problem ourselfs in game :P

tbh if they fix instant relog it kinda solves the issues, if they cant drop agro by logging off one of 3 things happens
1 - they log off and die to the mobs getting death penalty on ur group so the mobs then agro the group
2- they try and run the mob off and pray it runs through u and agro when it resetting
3 - run through ur group hoping u hit them with an aoe to pull agro off them

all these are un reliable and high chance of killing the person trying to train

if your going afk in the world there always a risk with it and thats the player choiuce cause they could just log if thye need 2 in a hurry and relog when there back from afk if they wanted easily enough

jszesnat

I think if done on purpose you need some sort of punishment besides being flagged.

I remember the days in everquest it was in Qeynos hills maybe.. There was a dungeon where you could sit at the top and shoot an arrow down and train the whole dungeon on the way out. Fun times!

brita

If you need to go AFK, you can always just exit the game and sign back in.

wakkytabbaky

as brita said if you know you are gonna be awhile just log out and in , only times queues really happen is launch day in the starter areas, theres no downside to logging out if needing to go afk as since everyone knows your character does not stay in the world at all

Dolyem

Another argument that killing AFK players shouldnt be considered griefing is because you utilize the exact same technique to deal with bots. So just dont go afk expecting to be safe.

nanfoodle

Dolyem wrote: »

Another argument that killing AFK players shouldnt be considered griefing is because you utilize the exact same technique to deal with bots. So just dont go afk expecting to be safe.

There is nothing wrong with going afk. People need to pee and help the kids. Your missing the point :P

Dolyem

nanfoodle wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Another argument that killing AFK players shouldnt be considered griefing is because you utilize the exact same technique to deal with bots. So just dont go afk expecting to be safe.

There is nothing wrong with going afk. People need to pee and help the kids. Your missing the point :P

Sure, then find a spot to log out or have your friends guard you. Its an MMORPG. Just because you stop doesnt mean other players and the world of the game stops.

nanfoodle

Dolyem wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Another argument that killing AFK players shouldnt be considered griefing is because you utilize the exact same technique to deal with bots. So just dont go afk expecting to be safe.

There is nothing wrong with going afk. People need to pee and help the kids. Your missing the point :P

Sure, then find a spot to log out or have your friends guard you. Its an MMORPG. Just because you stop doesnt mean other players and the world of the game stops.

In the video one guy went 1/2 up a mountain. Was no where near anything. The people going afk are not the problem.

Azherae

nanfoodle wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Another argument that killing AFK players shouldnt be considered griefing is because you utilize the exact same technique to deal with bots. So just dont go afk expecting to be safe.

There is nothing wrong with going afk. People need to pee and help the kids. Your missing the point :P

Sure, then find a spot to log out or have your friends guard you. Its an MMORPG. Just because you stop doesnt mean other players and the world of the game stops.

In the video one guy went 1/2 up a mountain. Was no where near anything. The people going afk are not the problem.

You could definitely just log out in the time it would take you to climb up the mountain for 'safety'.

There's a lot of nuance we could discuss about how to improve the 'feel' of the world of Verra relative to how we drop things and what we drop, but the overhaul they'd need for 'Ok you just don't drop anything on PvE death' probably shouldn't happen yet even if it was somehow a fitting idea for the game.

nanfoodle

Yes let's keep pointing at the people not greafing as the problem. Lol

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