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What it's like to be on the other end of exploits.

AdelissaAdelissa Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
For context, I run a small guild called Heathen Lords with around 30 dedicated members. Recently, a guild named Barcode (formerly Verdant 69) declared war on us. This happened while we were camping raptors to gather some before the larger zergs could take control of them. Barcode/Verdant has a reputation for exploiting mechanics, both on Vyra and previously on Castus, and their actions are making the game nearly unplayable for us.

During the war, they’ve occupied all high-level grinding zones and can kill us in towns without consequence. While we’d normally engage in PvP, they’re all equipped with epic and heroic crafted gear, fully enchanted. They obtained this gear by exploiting the guild war rewards system early on, using those rewards to run caravans non-stop after reaching level 25. They achieved level 25 within the first two days by abusing the Carphin and Gravepeak exploits, then used their resources to buy out the player-run marketplaces.

The war type they declared was a fishing war, a cheaper alternative to standard guild wars, simply to avoid corruption penalties when killing us and looting any raptors we might have had. Fishing wars, as currently implemented, function identically to normal guild wars but at a fraction of the cost, making them an easy tool for abuse.

Barcode is a rebranding of Verdant, likely to cover up their exploitative history. I sincerely hope Intrepid can track this kind of behavior even after guilds disband and rebrand, as leaving it unchecked encourages further abuse and undermines the integrity of the game.

Intrepid please read this and understand what exploiting means to the average player who doesn't engage in exploiting and take appropriate action on their accounts. Exploiters will not stop with a simple slap on the wrist that comes with character deletion and gear deletion. There are numerous ways for them to pass on materials to alts in their guild or lower level crafters that didn't engage in the exploits. This behavior needs to be met with bans or it wont be enough.
Adelissa | Guild Master | Heathen Lords
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Comments

  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Agreed.
  • HighbornHighborn Member, Alpha Two
    Would be nice. On EU Sol Deus exploited their hearts out but they're a pvp only guild so they didn't the the above stuff afaik, however they do the fishing or woodcutting comps from time to time.
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  • onewingedangelo1onewingedangelo1 Member, Alpha Two
    How do you know the quality of gear they have? Last I checked that information isn't accessible to us.
  • odishyodishy Member, Alpha Two
    I left Vyra because the toxicity due to exploitation was impacting my view of the game.

    Lyneth is infinitely better. I know everyone is hoping that bans fix Vyra, but the culture of that server is already set. Going to be really tough to clean that mess up as certain behaviors have been normalized.
  • Its_MeIts_Me Member, Alpha Two
    odishy wrote: »
    I left Vyra because the toxicity due to exploitation was impacting my view of the game.

    Lyneth is infinitely better. I know everyone is hoping that bans fix Vyra, but the culture of that server is already set. Going to be really tough to clean that mess up as certain behaviors have been normalized.

    Reading general chat on the official discord for the last couple of weeks, guilds were doing the same exploit (and others) on Lyneth.

    Not here to get into a pissing match on which server has more exploiters as I think I would lose if I try to represent Vyra. I am just here to say that exploiters also exist on Lyneth so if your view of a game is based on exploitation during testing, which every alpha and beta I have been involved in has had, perhaps try to change your mindset.

    I would suggest focusing on how the devs handle the exploiters in test rather than that exploiters exist as they will exist in every game produced. Centering on how the devs handle exploiters now (regardless of server) might shed some light on how active devs will be handling exploiters at launch which is the most important thing imo.
  • VeeshanVeeshan Member, Alpha Two
    How do you know the quality of gear they have? Last I checked that information isn't accessible to us.

    one of their cleric do 1k dmg hits constantly so there that :p drops a lvl 25 ranger in about 3 seconds as a cleric after using a single instant cast heal to heal the ranger dmg :p
  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You can also tell by the graphics of the armor and weapons.
  • ConradConrad Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    As someone who hates exploiters:

    Purge them. Give them a warning window when they log on to a purged character (ie lvl 1 with everything wiped) telling them that exploiting and abusing what was gained will not be tolerable and future offenses will be a ban. Simple as.
    If you don't treat them with a shotgun they will continue their shenanigans
  • DiddyOilDiddyOil Member, Alpha Two
    As someone from barcode i can ensure you we have blue enchanted gear, We declared two wars before steven posted about the 6 hour window, and then followed that since. We never went to carphin to abuse but rather minos in the desert and tropics. Yes we will push you off the raptors and we needed tailor shirts and other shirts to craft gear. We have degens who stayed on for the first 40 hours and that's how we hit 25 in 3 days. A lot of us are true testers and took time off from work. I'm sorry we where more committed to the grind and im sorry your 15 man company cant fight. We are excepting mergers. The rebranding from verdant to barcode was not to avoid intrepid but rather a 3 guild merger so than verdant 69 would have crafters and gathers rather than just pvp. This game encourages open world pvp and in the words of steven if now is not a good place for you to play come back when its all done and we will accept you.

    I look forward to the 2 day rest and you seeing none of us banned because we did no wrong. :)
  • DiddyOilDiddyOil Member, Alpha Two
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    You can also tell by the graphics of the armor and weapons.

    Not true,

    we crafted a legendary taylor shirt and looks same as others.
  • Its_MeIts_Me Member, Alpha Two
    edited January 8
    DiddyOil wrote: »
    As someone from barcode i can ensure you we have blue enchanted gear, We declared two wars before steven posted about the 6 hour window, and then followed that since. We never went to carphin to abuse but rather minos in the desert and tropics. Yes we will push you off the raptors and we needed tailor shirts and other shirts to craft gear. We have degens who stayed on for the first 40 hours and that's how we hit 25 in 3 days. A lot of us are true testers and took time off from work. I'm sorry we where more committed to the grind and im sorry your 15 man company cant fight. We are excepting mergers. The rebranding from verdant to barcode was not to avoid intrepid but rather a 3 guild merger so than verdant 69 would have crafters and gathers rather than just pvp. This game encourages open world pvp and in the words of steven if now is not a good place for you to play come back when its all done and we will accept you.

    I look forward to the 2 day rest and you seeing none of us banned because we did no wrong. :)

    So you were verdant during the exploit and a quick change to another guild immediately after? Verdant, the guild where someone posted the screenshot in Discord showing what appeared to be back to back war win trading?
  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    Highborn wrote: »
    Would be nice. On EU Sol Deus exploited their hearts out but they're a pvp only guild so they didn't the the above stuff afaik, however they do the fishing or woodcutting comps from time to time.
    How are those fishing / wood cutting comps exploitable? Does anyone care to enlighten me?
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  • DiddyOilDiddyOil Member, Alpha Two
    Its_Me wrote: »
    DiddyOil wrote: »
    As someone from barcode i can ensure you we have blue enchanted gear, We declared two wars before steven posted about the 6 hour window, and then followed that since. We never went to carphin to abuse but rather minos in the desert and tropics. Yes we will push you off the raptors and we needed tailor shirts and other shirts to craft gear. We have degens who stayed on for the first 40 hours and that's how we hit 25 in 3 days. A lot of us are true testers and took time off from work. I'm sorry we where more committed to the grind and im sorry your 15 man company cant fight. We are excepting mergers. The rebranding from verdant to barcode was not to avoid intrepid but rather a 3 guild merger so than verdant 69 would have crafters and gathers rather than just pvp. This game encourages open world pvp and in the words of steven if now is not a good place for you to play come back when its all done and we will accept you.

    I look forward to the 2 day rest and you seeing none of us banned because we did no wrong. :)

    So you were verdant during the exploit and a quick change to another guild immediately after? Verdant, the guild where someone posted the screenshot in Discord showing what appeared to be back to back war win trading? [/qu

    Just because two wars ended at the same time did not mean it was for exploitive meanings, If we are farming forge, raptors, stallions, a boss. We might have to dec on 2 guilds in order to fight over it. Its not for exploitive gain from the wars its for control of the Obj. Like i said we are excited to see yall after servers come back up so you will see we did not exploit. But by than you will change the story to "steven went easy on them"
  • AirborneBerserkerAirborneBerserker Member, Alpha Two
    Adelissa wrote: »
    For context, I run a small guild called Heathen Lords with around 30 dedicated members. Recently, a guild named Barcode (formerly Verdant 69) declared war on us. This happened while we were camping raptors to gather some before the larger zergs could take control of them. Barcode/Verdant has a reputation for exploiting mechanics, both on Vyra and previously on Castus, and their actions are making the game nearly unplayable for us.

    During the war, they’ve occupied all high-level grinding zones and can kill us in towns without consequence. While we’d normally engage in PvP, they’re all equipped with epic and heroic crafted gear, fully enchanted. They obtained this gear by exploiting the guild war rewards system early on, using those rewards to run caravans non-stop after reaching level 25. They achieved level 25 within the first two days by abusing the Carphin and Gravepeak exploits, then used their resources to buy out the player-run marketplaces.

    The war type they declared was a fishing war, a cheaper alternative to standard guild wars, simply to avoid corruption penalties when killing us and looting any raptors we might have had. Fishing wars, as currently implemented, function identically to normal guild wars but at a fraction of the cost, making them an easy tool for abuse.

    Barcode is a rebranding of Verdant, likely to cover up their exploitative history. I sincerely hope Intrepid can track this kind of behavior even after guilds disband and rebrand, as leaving it unchecked encourages further abuse and undermines the integrity of the game.

    Intrepid please read this and understand what exploiting means to the average player who doesn't engage in exploiting and take appropriate action on their accounts. Exploiters will not stop with a simple slap on the wrist that comes with character deletion and gear deletion. There are numerous ways for them to pass on materials to alts in their guild or lower level crafters that didn't engage in the exploits. This behavior needs to be met with bans or it wont be enough.

    This is exactly what I said would happen months ago. Along with a bunch of other predictions. If it makes you feel better given thier size they will likely become a victim of a larger guild down the road.
  • atudayatuday Member, Alpha Two

    Adelissa wrote: »
    Barcode/Verdant has a reputation for exploiting mechanics, both on Vyra and previously on Castus, and their actions are making the game nearly unplayable for us.

    This is hilarious. I was about to try joining Barcode and you've saved me from falling in with an exploit using crowd.
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