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Live Streamer Grief-Pulling Mobs for Over a Week
unknowncannibal
Member, Alpha Two
HslerTV, also known as Krank, has been grief-pulling mobs onto groups in the Tower of Carphin for the past week. During one of his streams, he openly stated, "You and your friends aren't gonna farm there until you all turn red! Go ahead and report me for griefing, time to make you all suffer and make you logout."
After making this statement, he spent the next five-eight hours pulling mobs into groups, disrupting gameplay. I’ve included the VoD link for full context and evidence of his actions. I chose not to clip it to avoid giving him a chance to delete the footage.
How is this kind of behavior still allowed in the game? Shouldn't this be a bannable offense?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2345309959?t=07h47m18s
He purposely doesn't save his VoD's but he forgot about this one so hopefully we can do something about it.
After making this statement, he spent the next five-eight hours pulling mobs into groups, disrupting gameplay. I’ve included the VoD link for full context and evidence of his actions. I chose not to clip it to avoid giving him a chance to delete the footage.
How is this kind of behavior still allowed in the game? Shouldn't this be a bannable offense?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2345309959?t=07h47m18s
He purposely doesn't save his VoD's but he forgot about this one so hopefully we can do something about it.
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Wow, this is quite the toxic angry streamer, I would submit your report and video here as well. https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
It is, in fact, the chosen one.
tip: do we have ignore list?
-He did this for another 4 more hours last night in Carph tower all streamed btw.
I mean, Ashes is the kind of game where this is perfectly valid gameplay. Right now it is easier than it should be, but that is about it.
What he is saying in shat is also not against the rules at all.
Ashes is a game where you are at the mercy of other players, and they are at your mercy. If someone is stronger than you (or a guild or alliance is stronger than yours) and they don't want you running a piece of content, you won't be running that piece of content.
Right now, this player is stronger than you and doesn't want you running that content.
I have and many other players have killed him, but since the corruption system is stupid and punishes you for killing him (since he's unflagged) he can just run through mobs and run into groups to wipe and not flag at all till everyone's dead and loot them. It doesn't matter if we stop all AoE and healing around him, he just runs it into people and stands there til mobs start hitting other players. This isn't fun in anyway having to deal with this guy.
The solution there would be to have your tank drop intimidating aura and run everything into the corner so he can los the current pull against the wall where the cleric can't break los or easily lose aggro of the mobs he's pulling towards you. Then have someone flag up to slow and sleep him when he goes to pull more, he'll die to his overpull and no one gets corruption.
I mean, if the issue is that he is training mobs on to you, why not just train mobs on to him?
Blown past falling sands…
I'm pretty sure you've never played this game at least PvP endgame. I'm a fighter who has 2 trip abilities and Knockout (incapacitate).There is Diminishing returns on CC, You can CC them when they're training but as soon as they take a single hit, it breaks them out incapacitate and you can only do 2 trips, a total of 2-3 at most 4 secs of CC then you're immune to it for 10-15 sec, same with incapacitate they're immune to it for 10 seconds once incapacitate ends. There is nothing you can do against a Cleric who can spam heal themselves with 4-5 mobs on them and not die, but please at least have the basic knowledge of that. WoW Noob
PS, I trip him constantly, Knockout and have slow on my bow/sword with 5-10 wounded on him, it doesn't do shit without myself or someone else going corrupted.
I do find the notion of someone that can't deal with a mob training calling someone else this.
It is literally what we used to call people thst couldn't deal with mob trains like these.
So, you're a WoW noob.
This coming from a guy who thinks a mob trainer is a "Stronger Player" and that you should be at the mercy of them. Good logic, you must use it irl
Back to the topic at hand, this is obviously just poor gameplay to go against, Train mobs, bait corruption, die and run back. Repeat. You can make other players go corrupted to lose items on their character and give them blight. (receive a permanent debuff) which makes people even if they die corrupted, res at the emberspring corrupted losing up to 6 items on their character.
While all you have to do it farm 1 hour of mobs at most to get rid of xp dampening at 25 with no permanent damage to your character.
Mob trains suck, and it's super easy to do. If you do it is it an exploit? I don't think so. It's just the current state of the alpha. But at least you have the option to try and kill him, or train mobs back to him. Oh the fun that will be.... I wanna kill monsters and hunt dragons not trolls
But even if they fix this the game is still lean towards a griefing, ganking, troll fest. Not sure who's going to want to play it. Maybe enough to call it a success.
Yeah, but they are.
The fact that they keep killing you and taking your stuff proves this. Well, I say taking your stuff, they probably have it all already.
You may not like the way they are killing you, but as it stands right now, that player is playing this game as it is today better than you are.
Anything any other player in this game can do, you can also do. No one has an unfair advantage over you. So, the appropriate response is for you to get better.
Also seems like your scking every streamers D, not just here across all the forum. Of you're done can land you another to choke on.
Fcks like you are the real reason games with actual potential are declining in playerbase and support. Because you think just because you're living off your parents money anyone can and everyone is a nolifer.
In an mmo setting especially. Sandbox mmo, I know that you have no clue how an actual mmo should be, your interactions with other players will define your your future results. So by that getting enough reports should get you banned. End of story.
Also touch grass once in a while, your mother might be rotting on the sofa in the living room
Maybe because if his not a tank and you are with a group with a tank you gonna aggro off of him landing him free xp for basically afking after the pull. Which is not intended.
Are you american somehow? Because basrd on your low mental capacities you would fit in there perfectly.
How do you know it is perfectly intended gameplay when the actual game and rules are not even out? Are you somehow disabled mentally, because you can't think 2 steps forward and about actual consequences of any actions. All your comments are literal trash with no real argument.
Diagnostixx and AmericanRedCross were doing the same thing in Carphin all yesterday on Lyneth. Yes already reported.
If you want the spot, flag the hell up
You are treading very close to the realm of personal attacks (actually, you have well and truely crossed it, but are just lucky that I am not one to report). The actions discussed in this thread won't result in a ban, but this kind of posting could well see you banned on the forums.
Consider that a friendly reminder to pull your head in.
Now as to what you are saying - yes, it is currently easier to train others than it should be, and that is getting fixed. However, it will always remain possible to train people - that will not be removed from the game.
Now, you have managed to get as far as realizing that the mobs that are being trained on to your group are actually being trained on to the tank. That is a start. All you need to do now is realize why.
The real question I have is...is this high quality gameplay?
Nope.
But Ashes design kind of dictates that people will often find themselves in situations they don't consider high quality gameplay.
Keep in mind as well, mob training isn't going to go away, it will still be possible. The only thing happening now is some people can't figure out how to stop it - there are multiple ways.
You're not necessarily wrong. But I will say that just because it likely wont go away, that shouldn't mean that Intrepid should stop trying to make it more and more difficult or punishing for players to do it.
One really simple idea that would also be annoying in many ways for general gameplay but more or less deter training masses of mobs is having mobs root players initially when engaging. Just for a second. So if you keep pulling mobs to train on people you keep getting rooted (and having it stack if you pull a lot at once) initially so its harder to out-maneuver mobs. Call it "bracing" or whatever even if its just something that the character activates upon engaging something. It wouldnt outright get rid of training as you say, but I would be willing to bet itd definitely have an effect on how well people can currently train mobs
However, that is all they should do.
Mob training should be a part of the game.
Why?
I honestly don’t understand. If you attack a mob, it should follow you and only you no matter what. If no one else attacks it, why would it attack them? They wouldn’t have aggro.
To allow mobs to attack ppl based on proximity is just lame.