Forced pvp caused by war

The town I am a citizen of went to war when I was offline. When I came back the war was on and there where multiple lvl 25s camping my hometown. I consequently died before my game had even rendered all the way costing me a living blue rarity bear material, I planned on making into a beast of burden. This death both felt cheap as it will cost me xp and time but also unfair as I had no way of knowing there was a war until I was already dead. i feel there needs to be an opt in feature for wars or at the very least spawn protection for a few mins on log in to give time to offload mats or leave a conflict zone if that's your preference. As it stands, I'm now stuck not playing since my home spawn point and closest spawn are the same and it is being camped so I'm stuck waiting for the war to end this was a massive turn away for my desire to play which was my plan for this evening for myself and my brother.

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Veeshan

closest spawn need 2 be changed to closest non home spawn tbh

you can also opt out by dropping citizen ship too and join back up when timer done

AirborneBerserker

@loneundrawolf Unfortunately this is the intended system. Welcome to the wonderful world of OWPvP where almost every fight is a one sided slaughter.

BTRR

don't cryyyyyyyy!

Dezemi

Honestly, this would be mostly resolved if they would just protect villages with proper guards that are not completely useless.

That a handful of players can camp inside towns and kill anyone logging in is just a terrible situation, and hopefully just a bug or oversight about to be fixed.

Gizban

Veeshan wrote: »

closest spawn need 2 be changed to closest non home spawn tbh

you can also opt out by dropping citizen ship too and join back up when timer done

This is bs option.

A main perk of citizensjip is extra storage. What happens to that storage and everything in it?

Gone.

Node wars shouldn't be able to take place within town.

Volgaris

I don't think this is intended... mostly... probably... I have no idea lol. The current PvP state is bad. Logging in and loading into your Node to get killed is bad design. The Node getting camped is bad too. Losing items from Node storage is bad also. I thought of losing a bunch of hard earned stuff because a war happened while I was logged out will certainly dissuade me playing. You'll need to join a zerg guild or a streamer guild if you don't want to crotch stomped all the time . Nether sound fun. So we'll just have to see how it works out in the end.

AirborneBerserker

@Volgaris @Gizban @Dezmerizing @Veeshan

Griefing is not a violation of TOS. This is to be expected in a Node/Guild War.

The expected response is to have other people come help you. Unless the most powerful people on the server are the ones doing it then log off.

This IS the intended result. Level 25 players killing level 12 players is OWPvP.

Veeshan

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

@Volgaris @Gizban @Dezmerizing @Veeshan

Griefing is not a violation of TOS. This is to be expected in a Node/Guild War.

The expected response is to have other people come help you. Unless the most powerful people on the server are the ones doing it then log off.

This IS the intended result. Level 25 players killing level 12 players is OWPvP.

The issue is node wars and any war in genaral right now completely favors the attacks. Walk into town with your attacking force go go to storage and crafting benches and market place hit the declare war button spam aoe instantly wiping one side due to they dont have any warnings what sp ever or time to prepare where attacks do, now go to the respawn point and perma kill them over and over again due to it being the closest spawn location and most likely there home point aswell cause logicaly you would have the home point set to your citizened node and they dont have any option to spawn anywhere else.
Wars are not wars there bloodbaths in there current form and it 100% favors attacking sides in every situation atm. Some easy fixes to this issue

1 - Have a warnig timer when a war is declared there a 15-30 minute grace period for defenders to also group up and prepare a defence so there actualy a fight

2- Allow people to always have 2 respawn locations to use if there closest stone is also there home node location the closest option should now be the 2nd closest stone so they can spawn at there home node or there 2nd closest node the rezz options should never both be the same spawn to allow options to no be spawn camped and allow a side to regroup.

3- log in protection timer (im not sure if this is in place yet but you need to be invunerable from pvp for 30 seconds or so when loading in so u have the option to actualy load into game before dieing/option to nope out if u happe n to log into a node war and have shit in your inventory due to crafting the day before still

Veeshan

Gizban wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

closest spawn need 2 be changed to closest non home spawn tbh

you can also opt out by dropping citizen ship too and join back up when timer done

This is bs option.

A main perk of citizensjip is extra storage. What happens to that storage and everything in it?

Gone.

Node wars shouldn't be able to take place within town.

this is steven response is to drop citizen if u dont wanna be appart of a node war. Also if u drop citizen the citizen the bank tab just disapears it not gone when u rejoin citizenship after the timer the items are still there from your second tab btw if you were not aware. it does lock u out of that tab though for 30 hours due to CD for rejoining but all items will still remain when u rejoin again.

Volgaris

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

@Volgaris @Gizban @Dezmerizing @Veeshan

Griefing is not a violation of TOS. This is to be expected in a Node/Guild War.

The expected response is to have other people come help you. Unless the most powerful people on the server are the ones doing it then log off.

This IS the intended result. Level 25 players killing level 12 players is OWPvP.

Lets say this is the intended end state of PvP. What happens when a "Group" of players ( i won't use guild here) get so powerful they can wipe any node out without any real resistance? People will generally flock to the winning side, only making this group larger and more powerful. Sure you can have streamer vs streamer wars, which might be fun, but probably won't be. Most PvP servers in MMOs end up extremely unbalanced. For either side this won't be fun. If there's no real fight to be had then whats the point in fighting, just the rewards, so don't build out Nodes unless you're with a large Group. Just use their Nodes. Literally Ignore all the Node stuff, that's a big bit of the game. So it's a "Go Big or Go Home" mentality? I hope you're wrong but if not the game isn't going to keep any PvE focused players. Too much hinges on PvP and PvP is made for LARGE groups. and ALL the Largest Groups are ran by streams. So it's a game designed for streamers. IF that's the case I'd rather smash balls in a waffle iron than play it.

lukedawuke

wow, op really is a baby.. "i want spawn protection!!" "let us opt out of pvp!!!" "let me put my valuables away safely before you are allowed to attack meeee waahh!!"" LOL

Pham

Veeshan wrote: »

closest spawn need 2 be changed to closest non home spawn tbh

you can also opt out by dropping citizen ship too and join back up when timer done

And pay a ton of extra taxes when you rejoin after that. Not a great option IMO

I don't think leaving guild/citizenship should be treated as a yo-yo - a cheap way of avoiding interacting with the game's systems/mechanics.

AirborneBerserker

Veeshan wrote: »

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

@Volgaris @Gizban @Dezmerizing @Veeshan

Griefing is not a violation of TOS. This is to be expected in a Node/Guild War.

The expected response is to have other people come help you. Unless the most powerful people on the server are the ones doing it then log off.

This IS the intended result. Level 25 players killing level 12 players is OWPvP.

The issue is node wars and any war in genaral right now completely favors the attacks. Walk into town with your attacking force go go to storage and crafting benches and market place hit the declare war button spam aoe instantly wiping one side due to they dont have any warnings what sp ever or time to prepare where attacks do, now go to the respawn point and perma kill them over and over again due to it being the closest spawn location and most likely there home point aswell cause logicaly you would have the home point set to your citizened node and they dont have any option to spawn anywhere else.
Wars are not wars there bloodbaths in there current form and it 100% favors attacking sides in every situation atm. Some easy fixes to this issue

1 - Have a warnig timer when a war is declared there a 15-30 minute grace period for defenders to also group up and prepare a defence so there actualy a fight

2- Allow people to always have 2 respawn locations to use if there closest stone is also there home node location the closest option should now be the 2nd closest stone so they can spawn at there home node or there 2nd closest node the rezz options should never both be the same spawn to allow options to no be spawn camped and allow a side to regroup.

3- log in protection timer (im not sure if this is in place yet but you need to be invunerable from pvp for 30 seconds or so when loading in so u have the option to actualy load into game before dieing/option to nope out if u happen to log into a node war and have shit in your inventory due to crafting the day before still

I don't disagree with you just so you know.

Heres what the response will be.

1. Giving a warning period would allow you to set up your side to in an unfair way.

2. People would use this to fast travel.

3. Pretty sure this is in the game already. But if not it's something likely to be abused by someone and removed.

Volgaris wrote: »

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

@Volgaris @Gizban @Dezmerizing @Veeshan

Griefing is not a violation of TOS. This is to be expected in a Node/Guild War.

The expected response is to have other people come help you. Unless the most powerful people on the server are the ones doing it then log off.

This IS the intended result. Level 25 players killing level 12 players is OWPvP.

Lets say this is the intended end state of PvP. What happens when a "Group" of players ( i won't use guild here) get so powerful they can wipe any node out without any real resistance? People will generally flock to the winning side, only making this group larger and more powerful. Sure you can have streamer vs streamer wars, which might be fun, but probably won't be. Most PvP servers in MMOs end up extremely unbalanced. For either side this won't be fun. If there's no real fight to be had then whats the point in fighting, just the rewards, so don't build out Nodes unless you're with a large Group. Just use their Nodes. Literally Ignore all the Node stuff, that's a big bit of the game. So it's a "Go Big or Go Home" mentality? I hope you're wrong but if not the game isn't going to keep any PvE focused players. Too much hinges on PvP and PvP is made for LARGE groups. and ALL the Largest Groups are ran by streams. So it's a game designed for streamers. IF that's the case I'd rather smash balls in a waffle iron than play it.

I basically agree with everything. Not just that but most PvPers will be lost as well. the game isn't a PvX game it's an OWPvP game. It just calls itself a PvX game because it will pull more people in and is technically true.

Lark Wyll

Pvp in towns is a poor idea, node wars or otherwise. I've never understood the dev teams fascination with promoting griefing in towns where players commonly go afk, chill, are barely paying attention to their screen if at all.

Volgaris

Lark Wyll wrote: »

Pvp in towns is a poor idea, node wars or otherwise. I've never understood the dev teams fascination with promoting griefing in towns where players commonly go afk, chill, are barely paying attention to their screen if at all.

I'm okay with killing in town. But the guards need to be on that person. And the person/s need to be "Wanted" by that node until some form of justice is served. As it is now you just gank loot and run. Trade your gear then die. Even if trading is turned off, just gank afk people in town with trash gear. Nothing like coming back after taking a duece see your corpse. and your mats gone because you were processing...

Some system to make that node hostile to that person/s for an X time or until they clear some condition.

This would still allow town killing, which would be a challenge for same someone from Node A to go to Node B and kill players there. I'd enjoy that either way, as the killer or the victim. Time to kill is to low in most cases, and people can ID the victims class just by selecting them. But a rogue getting hired by a player to go kill another player because someone was ganked while gathering mats would awesome. You can still do this, but the challenge of killing someone in town is basically zero.

For all the focus on PvP it does seem to be designed for gankers and griefers. With the time sink of gathering processing, gear grinding, level grinding. the risk is more so on the 'peaceful' players than the griefers. I doubt the system as it is will make it to launch, but I'm still concerned they won't 'fix' it enough to hold enough PvE focused players to entertain the PvP players for very long. It's a sinking ship, but at least it's not out to sea.

Are there even any pure PvP MMORPGs that can be considered successful? I wonder what 'success' would be for Intrepid. I wonder if anyone has done the math on that.

AirborneBerserker

Volgaris wrote: »

Lark Wyll wrote: »

Pvp in towns is a poor idea, node wars or otherwise. I've never understood the dev teams fascination with promoting griefing in towns where players commonly go afk, chill, are barely paying attention to their screen if at all.

I'm okay with killing in town. But the guards need to be on that person. And the person/s need to be "Wanted" by that node until some form of justice is served. As it is now you just gank loot and run. Trade your gear then die. Even if trading is turned off, just gank afk people in town with trash gear. Nothing like coming back after taking a duece see your corpse. and your mats gone because you were processing...

Some system to make that node hostile to that person/s for an X time or until they clear some condition.

This would still allow town killing, which would be a challenge for same someone from Node A to go to Node B and kill players there. I'd enjoy that either way, as the killer or the victim. Time to kill is to low in most cases, and people can ID the victims class just by selecting them. But a rogue getting hired by a player to go kill another player because someone was ganked while gathering mats would awesome. You can still do this, but the challenge of killing someone in town is basically zero.

For all the focus on PvP it does seem to be designed for gankers and griefers. With the time sink of gathering processing, gear grinding, level grinding. the risk is more so on the 'peaceful' players than the griefers. I doubt the system as it is will make it to launch, but I'm still concerned they won't 'fix' it enough to hold enough PvE focused players to entertain the PvP players for very long. It's a sinking ship, but at least it's not out to sea.

Are there even any pure PvP MMORPGs that can be considered successful? I wonder what 'success' would be for Intrepid. I wonder if anyone has done the math on that.

Idk how to tell you this but this will definitely go live like this. This is exactly what the Wiki describes. They don't care if people are getting griefed.

To do what you suggest that would require consequences for engaging in guild wars, which the games says explicitly it's not going to do.

Lark Wyll wrote: »

Pvp in towns is a poor idea, node wars or otherwise. I've never understood the dev teams fascination with promoting griefing in towns where players commonly go afk, chill, are barely paying attention to their screen if at all.

They want to do something different. So why not let people kill people while walking up to a crafting bench. Best way to maximize chances of stealing someone else's time.

Pham

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

They want to do something different. So why not let people kill people while walking up to a crafting bench. Best way to maximize chances of stealing someone else's time.

Because that's terrible for the economy. If crafters cannot craft without getting harassed constantly (which that promotes) then there will be no economy in a player-driven economy.

We just need guards to do their jobs and actually guard the people who are attempting to craft and get attacked first (while the crafters are not flagged).

AirborneBerserker

Pham wrote: »

AirborneBerserker wrote: »

They want to do something different. So why not let people kill people while walking up to a crafting bench. Best way to maximize chances of stealing someone else's time.

Because that's terrible for the economy. If crafters cannot craft without getting harassed constantly (which that promotes) then there will be no economy in a player-driven economy.

We just need guards to do their jobs and actually guard the people who are attempting to craft and get attacked first (while the crafters are not flagged).

I agree that it's terribly stupid, but the more you find out about this game the more your are going to find that is their take on just about every system.

Its_Me

Gizban wrote: »

Node wars shouldn't be able to take place within town.

A node is basically a civilized town so how can you have a war over it and suggest the war cannot take place within it? Just wait until wars where buildings can be demolished.....

loneundrawolf wrote: »

i feel there needs to be an opt in feature for wars or at the very least spawn protection for a few mins on log in to give time to offload mats or leave a conflict zone if that's your preference.

I doubt there will ever be (nor should there be) an opt-in for war. If you do not want to be involved in a node war, do not join a node. If you do not want to be involved in a guild war, do not join a guild.

War in the most basic principle should not be based on leniency for anyone, even someone just logging in or someone that has an inventory full of materials that wants to get it into storage. You can minimize risk by logging off in a more secure location or by messaging someone before logging in.

With that said, I do think there should be a period of time between when war is declared and when war begins. I do not have any specific timer in mind but I do not feel that any type of war should be immediate. Steven has stated that this (timer) is intended and just has not been implemented yet so hopefully we will see it soon.

Zapatos80

There's a ton of jank right now with these systems. At the bare minimum, you should get a 10-15 minutes delay between declaration and war. It makes 0 sense that you can declare war, then gank all the low/mid levels right in town where they have no means to defend themselves nor see it coming.

IMO town centers should be damage immune zones. As it stands now the level of griefing that is possible (and does/will happen in town centers) is much too high, even outside of any war. Especially when there is no risk/reward, rhyme or reason for it to be possible to happen (low/mid levels being griefed have no way to defend themselves and will just die outright and lose materials to a grief, even if they have ten lvl 25 guildies right next to them).

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