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Marketplace

RoanatorRoanator Member
in General Discussion
Yesterday I tried the marketplace the first time.
Friends warned me not to do it…but I did. And it was shocking.

We have these type of games now for round 25 years…this game is in dev for years and they shown this to the testers.
I know…I know…it’s not the real thing for sure…but then it’s even worse….give us the thing you want tested…and please remove this.

What we could have in my opinion should be something like this….
1) Player markets in each town…starting in Lion. Don’t let players drive for 20 minutes to reach one.
2) Each player should be able to add and take stuff to the market at the marketplace they visit.
Now for the fun….
Taking stuff off the market in a town you are not citizen off for at least 48 hours, means you pay a tax of 10% that goes to the town and player if the players is living in that town. Town gets 4% player 6%.
Taking stuff of the market the market in a town other then the one where the players who placed it on it lives gives another 10% extra tax…same way off splitting unless you do it from your own town the. The full 10% goes to the player.

This way people don’t have to drive in the little time they have to get stuff…and players who do want to travel get a discount.

Placing items on the market in your own time cost nothing when you are a citizen for at least 5 days.
Before that it cost 5% going to that town.
People with own house get to put stuff on the market always for free.

Put items on the market and let people search by item name, how rare it is or price range or so.
I know some hate it….but many people don’t have the play time to search the market for hours because search options don’t work. They want to play…fight mobs and players…not the marketmanager.

So….
Ashes of creation take down this market system fast and replace it with one that’s equal or better then we seen in the last 25 years.
Not one that’s the worst ever seen in a alpha or live game.

Comments

  • Arya_YesheArya_Yeshe Member
    The whole system is a mess right now. Just copy EVE Online's market, seriously. Don’t even be shy about it, people love it, and some players went to EVE just to mess with the market because it’s that good.

    Get rid of all the fees, taxes, time gates, and weird rules. Then, just add a tiny 0.25% listing fee (same for buy orders and sell orders). Once that’s done, let each local market have a tax set by the mayor. But if I list my items while the tax is 1%, it should stay 1% until my order expires or gets filled. That way, I’m protected if the mayor decides to jack the tax from 1% to 100%.
    PvE means: A handful of coins and a bag of boredom.
  • azuleslightazuleslight Member, Alpha Two
    while i understand your point OP, I believe the market place, taxes, and every else you mentioned were intentional. To force you to rely on other players. at the core of this MMO seems to be that vanilla WoW flavor of needing others to get things done. your request would change the game from social one, to, i can do it all by myself...which is not the essence of this game. Next As a tester you are required to do all the things we are doing as normal players would do. it takes years of testing and tweaking not months.
  • VolgarisVolgaris Member, Alpha Two
    The over arching issue here is the amount of "placeholder" systems. How many man hours are they going to waste refactoring code before they have one of the systems in a state we can test. I shutter to think about the amount of code that will get thrown out with each rework, as they chase the communities ever changing desire. They need to have a vision and build it, as it stands now it doesn't seem like they had a vision for many of the systems in the game currently. And the retort is 'they're placeholders', that's valid to a point, but there just seems to be so many placeholders.
  • HiddenDaggerInnHiddenDaggerInn Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Guys please remember it has been stated this is a very bare bones system at the moment, much much more will follow. It was important to get some form of player markets up to see help the economy, I personally am thankful to have something and will be patient for more implementation.
  • ChicagoChicago Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Volgaris wrote: »
    The over arching issue here is the amount of "placeholder" systems. How many man hours are they going to waste refactoring code before they have one of the systems in a state we can test. I shutter to think about the amount of code that will get thrown out with each rework, as they chase the communities ever changing desire. They need to have a vision and build it, as it stands now it doesn't seem like they had a vision for many of the systems in the game currently. And the retort is 'they're placeholders', that's valid to a point, but there just seems to be so many placeholders.

    Entire A1 was place holder so you have. Valid point here, I know that it's an alpha, however I would expect at least some of the systems to be in a state that is not place holder, even if that comes with bugs and no polish, seems like they are just throwing something together to provide content but will just hurt us in the long run
  • AirborneBerserkerAirborneBerserker Member, Alpha Two
    azuleslight wrote: »
    while i understand your point OP, I believe the market place, taxes, and every else you mentioned were intentional. To force you to rely on other players. at the core of this MMO seems to be that vanilla WoW flavor of needing others to get things done. your request would change the game from social one, to, i can do it all by myself...which is not the essence of this game. Next As a tester you are required to do all the things we are doing as normal players would do. it takes years of testing and tweaking not months.

    First this game is nothing like Vanillia WoW. You could easily do quite a few things on your own in that game so long as you took the time to learn what you needed to know.

    Second you are right, those systems are meant to FORCE people to act the way the devs want them to act which is a very bad way to get people to play your game. That exact attitude is what will cause people to abandon the game very quickly. Its not 1999 it's 2025, there are more then 2 options when it comes to MMOs. People wont like that they can't spend their time as they please.
  • TygorianTygorian Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited February 8
    The marketplaces are jacked ... you do a search for items nothing i look thru 47 pages of stores and find a dozen of what i was looking for ... search parameters need updating badly
  • EPMANEPMAN Member, Alpha Two
    Sadly it sets a very poor standard for the development team. I played Dark and Darker, it also had a very poor market, but they figured out something better after some time, lets hope those guys can do the same.

    It should be easy, plenty of well working systems out there.

    I would love to se an auction house 12h/24h, would fit perfect for this game. Combined with local markets, for daily used items, like food, potions etc.

    Move the market to a market square, so ppl can meet up and sell their stuff with local/say chat.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    It's placeholder. It'll do for now, but it'll be improved. And yes, it does desperately need it.
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  • adlezadlez Member
    I havent played Alpha yet but from reading this- yeah just make it like BDO's but less bloated numbers
  • VeeshanVeeshan Member, Alpha Two
    The current market was rushed in btw to address players wanting a place to sell items outside of spamming global chat for that purpose its functional you will see improvments as times goes on we will be getting auction houses for example in economic nodes as there bonus i beleive that starts in node lvl 4 when it unlocks that which we dont have atm (spose to be near end of pahse 2) i beleive when vassalisation and lvl 4 nodes become a thing
  • TjaedenTjaeden Member, Alpha Two
    What would be the best reward for a player actually having a stall?

    For example, I want to sell cupcakes next to the Carph emberspring.

    This would be a non-AFK ability, deploying a cart.

    Other than the obvious, quick sells, no taxes - what could be added to make this style of gameplay possible?
  • brexxxbrexxx Member, Alpha Two
    How about this... a search that actually searches what you're looking for, rather than just returns text in the store title. that simple fix changes everything.
  • SpifSpif Member, Alpha Two
    Devs are aware that marketplace search, UI and general usability is very bad. It's one of the number one complaints in their A2 weekly feedback request on Discord. They will get to it when they can. They have talked about player stalls for AFK buy orders.

    Non-AFK selling already exists. Just trade items and gold

    The node-specific market is by design. It's goes hand in hand with node-specific storage, no fast travel, etc. It is to keep global control/disruption of the economy from happening, and also to make trade and shipping of goods via caravans necessary. This should come more into play when biome specific crafting resources are implemented. I see that making leveling crafting become even harder, so that'll be interesting.

    An example of that: right now to level tailoring through tier 2 you need bluebell thread and willow boards. What if a lot of bluebell was found in one biome, but that biome had no willow. And the biome with willow has no bluebell? A huge amount of common bluebell and willow would have to move between biomes (aka nodes) to level all of the tailors.
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