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[FEEDBACK] Guild Leveling

GarmanicusGarmanicus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
in General Discussion
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So can we talk about the Guild Leveling system for a minute? Guild progression being locked behind caravans and 5765 gold worth of glint for Guild Seals for ONE LEVEL is absolutely insane. I think there needs to be a better way or more avenues in place to accumulate experience for the entirety the guild. Asking 1 person to shill out 5 gold (in glint no less) for a commodity crate doesn't seem practical or fair of me to ask of someone. If everyone in the guild could ALL pool together their glint, the financial blow would be severely lessened. OR maybe for those individuals that prefer not to run caravans there could be a system in place that a small portion of experience earned while in a group with fellow guild mates could be contributed toward guild experience? I'm sure there are plenty of ways this system could be improved upon but the product we have in our hands right now needs some definitive tweaking. 5.7 Million experience if adequately portioned out in a fair way for an entire guild would not be difficult to attain in any way shape or form but currently, there are WAY too many systems locked behind glint.

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  • rolle999rolle999 Member, Alpha Two
    It should be anything you do to get XP also gives some guild XP just as crafting gives you some regular XP... at the very least.
  • zipPappinzipPappin Member, Alpha Two
    Yes this is Geard towards zerg Guilds that have the ppl and resources to lvl there guild the small guilds get the shaft hope it gets reworked
  • DrDingoDrDingo Member, Alpha Two
    Honestly this is a super valid statement especially for small/medium guilds that don't have the capacity to just mass zerg every resources and in this particular instance glint to buy seals or packages for caravans runs. Now this could easily be helped by giving an EXP reduction per member that is within a guild, this will allow smaller guilds to actually make meaningful progress towards these guild buffs. There is no incentive to be a small guild in Ashes, sooooo many hurdles that are nearly impossible for non zerg guilds to actually get past because of the inability of the devs to actually use a braincell when determining how much Exp is to be earn, types of ways to earn it and the inability for systems to properly be implemented to support these sort of things within the game.

    Going back to the topic about EXP reduction/dampening per player in a guild means that Zergs will still be able to complete these things easier because of the amount of players that they have who are gaining exp from the sources available. This would allow guilds with smaller amounts of players to have increased exp rates so that they can actually feel like they are making progress. The systems within this game so far that i have seen are leading me to believe that the devs only have 1 thing on their mind which is ZERG GUILDS. Zerg guilds are your entire player base and use need to think long and hard about actually making these systems work for everyone. Needing nearly 6k gold if you have 15 members is ridiculous compared to it split with say 50 or even 300 players. Please actually use your braincells and dont just write off everyone but Zerg guilds cause the way this exp guild system is layed out is exactly what use are doing. Also please make glint tradable + add guild banks to enable players to donate to the guild so GMS and officers can actually run these caravans more often for EXP. Without glint being able to be donated and used as a whole by the GM this system gives 0 enjoyment or actual progress for anyone but Zerg Guilds.

    Cheers the Angry Australian
  • xenith_terrekxenith_terrek Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited February 2
    Garmanicus wrote: »
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    So can we talk about the Guild Leveling system for a minute? Guild progression being locked behind caravans and 5765 gold worth of glint for Guild Seals for ONE LEVEL is absolutely insane. I think there needs to be a better way or more avenues in place to accumulate experience for the entirety the guild. Asking 1 person to shill out 5 gold (in glint no less) for a commodity crate doesn't seem practical or fair of me to ask of someone. If everyone in the guild could ALL pool together their glint, the financial blow would be severely lessened. OR maybe for those individuals that prefer not to run caravans there could be a system in place that a small portion of experience earned while in a group with fellow guild mates could be contributed toward guild experience? I'm sure there are plenty of ways this system could be improved upon but the product we have in our hands right now needs some definitive tweaking. 5.7 Million experience if adequately portioned out in a fair way for an entire guild would not be difficult to attain in any way shape or form but currently, there are WAY too many systems locked behind glint.

    Agreed 100000000% with your entire post. It's ridiculous. so much so, that most people I talk to are like 'why even bother?'.

    Even bigger guilds are like 'naw, next implementation pls!'
  • GarmanicusGarmanicus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    xenith_terrek wrote: »
    Garmanicus wrote: »
    196k6rm62usn.png
    So can we talk about the Guild Leveling system for a minute? Guild progression being locked behind caravans and 5765 gold worth of glint for Guild Seals for ONE LEVEL is absolutely insane. I think there needs to be a better way or more avenues in place to accumulate experience for the entirety the guild. Asking 1 person to shill out 5 gold (in glint no less) for a commodity crate doesn't seem practical or fair of me to ask of someone. If everyone in the guild could ALL pool together their glint, the financial blow would be severely lessened. OR maybe for those individuals that prefer not to run caravans there could be a system in place that a small portion of experience earned while in a group with fellow guild mates could be contributed toward guild experience? I'm sure there are plenty of ways this system could be improved upon but the product we have in our hands right now needs some definitive tweaking. 5.7 Million experience if adequately portioned out in a fair way for an entire guild would not be difficult to attain in any way shape or form but currently, there are WAY too many systems locked behind glint.

    Agreed 100000000% with your entire post. It's ridiculous. so much so, that most people I talk to are like 'why even bother?'.

    Even bigger guilds are like 'naw, next implementation pls!'

    I'm glad even the larger guilds are refuting the current system in place.

    I think Dingo makes a solid point about the experience dampening per member. Allowing guilds to level up more organically makes more sense to me. Locking guild progression behind the most important currency in the game is a huge oversight in my opinion.
  • VolgarisVolgaris Member, Alpha Two
    Go big or go home!

    it's one bad design choice after another...
  • VeeshanVeeshan Member, Alpha Two
    Shouldnt use glint imo, killing things should drop a guild currency that can then be used to buy the trade pack items.

    Seems like it designed to load one caravan with loads of packs and run them as a guild however u cant trade glint or the cargo or load it into somone elses caravan so this method doesnt work either
  • ChicagoChicago Member, Alpha One, Adventurer, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    just seams stupid to me, devs don't really seem to do any sort of internal testing whatsoever before they tweak numbers, and 95% of the time they seem to overshoot the mark by an amount so extreme that its just laughable, it seems like so many systems are being brought into the game in placeholder builds that are most likley so far off the final build that it makes me wonder what was the actual point of wasting dev hours even building such a system, when the average joe can tell that the entire system needs a re work
  • GarmanicusGarmanicus Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Chicago wrote: »
    just seams stupid to me, devs don't really seem to do any sort of internal testing whatsoever before they tweak numbers, and 95% of the time they seem to overshoot the mark by an amount so extreme that its just laughable, it seems like so many systems are being brought into the game in placeholder builds that are most likley so far off the final build that it makes me wonder what was the actual point of wasting dev hours even building such a system, when the average joe can tell that the entire system needs a re work

    Yeah this system kinda had me scratching my head. I'm not sure they thought this one entirely through.
  • DrDingoDrDingo Member, Alpha Two
    Yeah they really need to actually look at systems prior to releasing them cause they always overshoot, like im not sure how they actually think these numbers make sense? are they not gamers? cause at this point it seems like they are just putting huge numbers cause they dont actually grasp the gameplay that they are putting numbers in for.
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