This game is too hard.

I'm sorry I'm going to say it. This game is WAY to hard. I've playing MMOs and I've raided hardcore before, but when I'm playing at lvl 1-5 and I'm dying multiple times. When I'm having to travel 10+ mins to a different starting area just to find a vendor for my weapon. We've gone too far. I'm into this and I think there is SO much promise but there is no way this can play with the public that will support the longevity we want.

I understand everyone is going to want to rip into me with explanations about how that how this game is supposed to be! I get that, and I want it to some degree. But there is no way in hell people outside this mindset take to it. I WANT this game to work and I'm getting constantly frustrated.

PLEASE do not go down the way of Wildstar. It was one of the best games I ever played and was destroyed for cratering to the hardcore.

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falkor

You can't find a vendor for your next weapon, they don't sell new weapons or armor anymore. You have to take the time to find the right station (some are west, some are east) and then run back and forth to process the right materials (some are west, some are east) and then buy the catalysts and then you can make something that is slightly better.

It's way too hard.

NoMadder

It's insulting to your time and effort at the moment. Which is not good. Only psychopaths play this game right now, the general public would not. But that's OK, because it's not finished.

- Add in the fast transit system ASAP (not fast travel!) this means airships and carts just like AA. Stop making the map any larger until these are in.
- Add common initiate tier items to vendor. Just Brooksteel (bottom tier craft items). Not the cock up from last night where we had second sword items, recipes, adept items... And make them more expensive than they were on the store last night. They should work out MORE expensive than crafting them yourselves. And if that seems too high for a level 1-10 then the cost of crafting it too high.
- Add crafting and processing XP to node progression XP.
- Reduce the cost of crafting
- Fix drop rates to align better with crafting.
- Be happy.

Caww

right now there is more labor than love when playing....

Mr_Mayhem

I find the constant crashing to be the most challenging adversary in p3

SmileGurney

The switch from loot drops to crafted gear has been executed really badly. This basically killed the game for casuals and anyone who isn't in several guilds which know what they are doing at least to some degree.

Even then, the game systems are mostly not worth the effort. If you hear no-lifers saying the current state of drops, grind, crafting, and more general the economy are not acceptable, then you know things are FUBAR.

Unless you are really into Ashes, my advice is do not bother. You will only get a pretty negative impression of AoC and burn out. For me this phase start for me is another failure, and it concerns me those issues havent been highlighted and picked up at the design stage. This should have never been implemented and pushed to the "live" server.

The "game" atm is basically: brainless POI mob grinding for glint and gear (terrible drop rates), and terribly designed economy, which requires way too much effort and time to get anything for value.

Gardosien

Biggest issue I have
IF they sever needs to go down for 2 hours, tell the player base 4 hours, because The Ashes team as a whole fails to bring severs back up in a timely manner, based on time stated by them. Players should not have to play a guessing a game.
Just basic good customer service, Under promise over deliver vs what they do now which is over promise and under deliver. . Things happen it is in testing, the Ashes of creation team should be more realistic when giving sever down times , track record shows it being pushed out , and needing more time than not So for the love of god just add on the time at the get go knowing you will most likely need it. If you don't need more time , your up early and everyone(almost is happy). Piss off less people this way , in addition your word becomes more reliable.

Volgaris

Grograman wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm going to say it. This game is WAY to hard. I've playing MMOs and I've raided hardcore before, but when I'm playing at lvl 1-5 and I'm dying multiple times. When I'm having to travel 10+ mins to a different starting area just to find a vendor for my weapon. We've gone too far. I'm into this and I think there is SO much promise but there is no way this can play with the public that will support the longevity we want.

I understand everyone is going to want to rip into me with explanations about how that how this game is supposed to be! I get that, and I want it to some degree. But there is no way in hell people outside this mindset take to it. I WANT this game to work and I'm getting constantly frustrated.

PLEASE do not go down the way of Wildstar. It was one of the best games I ever played and was destroyed for cratering to the hardcore.

I don't know how you're dying 1-5 multiple times. Before I can blink I'm level 5, a few moments later I'm level 10 with probably only a couple of deaths from getting greedy gathering. The level difference between you and the mob really matter. Try to stick to equal levels if you can.

There are no weapon vendors. You must craft or buy from a player for your gear. There are a few gear drops from mobs. If you can find a grind group this you're optimal path to leveling and gearing.

Crafting areas being split is dumb and a needless burden placed on the new player experience. And really slows their efforts, which has led a few of my friends to quit testing.

You think Wildstar was hardcore you need to go look at the games Steven takes is inspiration from. Wildstar was a great game, I wish they'd release the server code so we could do a private server.

Seaspite

Mr_Mayhem wrote: »

I find the constant crashing to be the most challenging adversary in p3

I had hoped the servers were more stable. I just started in Alpha today and my first death was due to server lag; like really bad server lag.

nanfoodle

Grograman wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm going to say it. This game is WAY to hard. I've playing MMOs and I've raided hardcore before, but when I'm playing at lvl 1-5 and I'm dying multiple times. When I'm having to travel 10+ mins to a different starting area just to find a vendor for my weapon. We've gone too far. I'm into this and I think there is SO much promise but there is no way this can play with the public that will support the longevity we want.

I understand everyone is going to want to rip into me with explanations about how that how this game is supposed to be! I get that, and I want it to some degree. But there is no way in hell people outside this mindset take to it. I WANT this game to work and I'm getting constantly frustrated.

PLEASE do not go down the way of Wildstar. It was one of the best games I ever played and was destroyed for cratering to the hardcore.

Personally I love the old school feel, I do think its turned too far. 80% of casuals makes up any MMO still going strong. I think there is a place to balance hardcore without driving away all cauals. Even if Ashes kept 60% to 50% of what its normally attracted to a game, i think we woild attract even more hard core players.

lamina5432

There's a balance between it being long and a lot of effort to level up and tedious. I think we are way on the Tedious side and I've left a lot of feedback on that and can only really wait for a response. The fact that a majority of people are not interested in phase 3 is kind of telling but I don't know if Intrepid is really tracking that since the hardcore grinders and devoted players are still there.

Not saying that Intrepid isn't doing a very good job but I think the balance is on the wrong side an they aren't hearing some of the more casual voices in the community.

nanfoodle

lamina5432 wrote: »

There's a balance between it being long and a lot of effort to level up and tedious. I think we are way on the Tedious side and I've left a lot of feedback on that and can only really wait for a response. The fact that a majority of people are not interested in phase 3 is kind of telling but I don't know if Intrepid is really tracking that since the hardcore grinders and devoted players are still there.

Not saying that Intrepid isn't doing a very good job but I think the balance is on the wrong side an they aren't hearing some of the more casual voices in the community.

IMO its because I dont think IS staff are not really playing the game. What I mean buy that is, actually LFG, without using dev tool, or as Steven does, zipping around flying where he want. Actually for a couple of weeks travel like the players do.

Make a char at lvl one, dont tell anyone your staff. Try LFG and guild. Try to make money with the market to progress. Don't rely on staff members to help, just the testers.

Volgaris

nanfoodle wrote: »

IMO its because I dont think IS staff are not really playing the game. What I mean buy that is, actually LFG, without using dev tool, or as Steven does, zipping around flying where he want. Actually for a couple of weeks travel like the players do.

Make a char at lvl one, dont tell anyone your staff. Try LFG and guild. Try to make money with the market to progress. Don't rely on staff members to help, just the testers.

Has to be an outside tester, not a Dev or staff that has massive knowledge of the workings of the game. A dev is going to know where to go for everything, is going to know the optimal paths, ect. They need a dedicated group of people testing... oh wait that's us. They got plenty of feedback, but sifting through all the noise has to be a hassle.

Noaani

My opinion;

It isn't that the game is "too hard", it is that there game is built as a nostalgia hit for experiences that were largely imagined, and since have been looked back on more fondly than those experiences warrant.

This is as opposed to being a game designed using current best practice in terms of game design (note, there is a difference between current best design and current most profitable design - most games opt for the latter).

Put simply, the game is built on a memory that didn't actually happen in the way it is being remembered. That false memory is one of fondness for the challenge, where the real memory would be fondness completely related to the payoff, not the challenge.

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