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📝 Dev Discussion - Alpha Two UX/UI

VaknarVaknar Member, Staff
edited November 12 in General Discussion
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In this thread, we’ll be discussing:

Dev Discussion - Alpha Two UX/UI
  • Is there a system or menu you find confusing? What about it is confusing?
  • For those of you who have or who want to try out Summoner on the PTR:
    • What did you think of the pet UI?
    • What requests do you have for displaying pet information or facilitating your control over them?

Don’t feel limited to the thought-starters above. Feel free to drop whatever feedback you have regarding your experiences with the UX/UI below 👇
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  • WolfBouncWolfBounc Member, Alpha Two
    Not being able to read the text inside of the artisan menu for material requirements.
    Being able to resize the inventory menu was a much needed UI change, but onto the ptr you cannot see more than 2 bags which is a displeasing take on this new UI update.
  • woolymistwoolymist Member, Alpha Two
    The inventory icons are too big, also the need to scroll though your bags to see everything isnt the pbest imo
  • GynGyn Member, Alpha Two
    Bags not being smart enough to automatically sort big stacks into the right resource bag and forcing multiple trades is super cumbersome.
  • LunatickLunatick Member, Alpha Two
    In general when using action mode the UI feels harder to navigate, for example when you "draw for an item drop". This is slightly off-topic but action mode in general needs a lot more love.
  • GynGyn Member, Alpha Two
    Visually the buff/debuff icoms needs a lot of woek. We cant see them all and many require watching for to know when to use high value or cooldown skills.
  • KhaltorKhaltor Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    It would be a massive quality of life improvement if cast bars could be displayed under the nameplates of characters, with customizeable options like when to display healthbars above characters we have now.

    This would help in particular to telegraph better when there is a group of enemies (like Bloodshot Oculars or Sighted Fanatics) that are using their abilities because when you fight multiple of them you can't easily switch between all of them to check what they are doing, especially since some of the visual effects related to their abilities are known to bug visually. (Like the red cloud for the rotten fulminations not displaying.)

    I made a feedback post here.

  • envycreat1onenvycreat1on Member, Alpha Two
    The map and mini-map has been a huge point of frustration for some time. Chunks failing to load, game performance impact when opening the UI, player/group/enemy markers freezing in place, and more I can’t recall. Players will be looking at the map constantly and it’s in a poor state. It has gotten slightly better since phase one, but more work needs to be done.
  • timjimtwotimjimtwo Member, Alpha Two
    Please change the outlines (borders) of each quality level over common to be different. Dots, dashes etc. can help low vision players identify difference in materials.
  • SentSent Member, Alpha Two
    In the launcher, I'd like the option to start the game when the patch finishes.

    When I launch the game, I don't care about the seizure warning or the realm selection. Give me the character selection screen right away!
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  • MaxDemonMaxDemon Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    Crafting stations and every npc you can interact should have an icon above them, as well as quest items sprinkled throughout the world. You can make some very minimalistic icons depending of the importance of the npc/quest items..
  • HerdoHerdo Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Accessibility options would be very important:
    • Changing sizes of icons and text
    • Changing size and color of the cursor
    • Contrast improving modes
  • OrdinAeryOrdinAery Member, Alpha Two
    I believe some UI items would be better implemented with either more granularity or separation or both. Personally, the element that I think would benefit the most from this would be a separation of the player character HP and Mana bar UI from the Buff and Debuff icons below it. Being able to move around and resize these separately would be great. For granularity, being able to prioritize certain status conditions/buffs/debuffs would be nice. "The wounded debuff/icon I actually put in a different spot all together above my HP bar so I can track if I need to cleanse before I heal."
  • ministterministter Member, Alpha Two
    The Action camera in the game has some issues. One of them is that I can’t adjust the camera’s X and Y positions. When I’m aiming a skill at 30 meters and lower the camera, I lose sight of the battlefield. If it were possible to adjust the camera on the Y axis, the Action mode would be much better to play.

    Some players like to adjust the camera on the X axis, since those who enjoy dueling prefer to have the enemy in the center of the screen and the character slightly to the left or right, to better see which skill the opponent is using during the duel.

    Players who use the Action mode don’t want their skills to automatically target what’s in the center of the mouse, but rather want freedom and agility to move the camera, like in an FPS game. Therefore, all Tab Target skills should be cast on the selected target, not on the one that’s at the center of the mouse cursor.

    Since the Action camera still doesn’t work properly (there are several games whose systems could serve as inspiration, such as Guild Wars 2 and others), I end up using the normal camera. However, in this mode, to rotate the field of view, I use the right mouse button, and when I release it, I lose track of where the cursor is.

    For me, the ideal setup would be that when I press the right mouse button, the camera rotates, but the cursor remains visible and fixed in the position where I started holding the button. Additionally, there could be an option to make the mouse cursor brighter or more visible, making it easier to find in the middle of the chaos.
  • oxboneoxbone Member, Alpha Two
    I miss having the keyboard being available to put skills on. I am not as adept as some that can easily do the control-1 thru whatever. In phase 2 we could put our mount icon on V or your favorite attack on T or something like that. Makes it difficult for we who are less dexterous.
  • bartgastbartgast Member, Alpha Two
    What things frustrate you consistently when you think of using all of the different UI elements in the game, and in what ways are you frustrated?
    - Bags are not resizable making it hard to fit in screen
    - I think the overall information being presented in almost every aspect is lacking
    - Fuel should be automatically used from bank or settlement; so that space can be used for information
    What features or updates would you like to see added to the UI?
    - Resizable bags/map
    Archetype Resources: How do you feel about the way the information pertaining to these is displayed? How or where would you like it to be displayed?
    Unfortunately i never ever looked at these, but i also think its completely useless to have this resource.
    Vessels: For those of you who have or who want to try out Summoner on the PTR, what did you think of the pet UI? What requests do you have for displaying pet information or facilitating your control over them?
    I was surprised its just another action bar over the current ones. I would make this a radial hotbar for example. And different color to make it more distinct
  • EvonyxEvonyx Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    > Debuffs on Enemy HP Bars need to be more clear, more visible (maybe adjustable in terms of size)
    > Castbar really should be moveable. I do not want to workaround my UI around the immovable castbar.
    > Personal buffs should be adjustable. I do main a bard, and it is very frustrating to track buffs if you are limited to 10 Buffs showed with a (+61) behind that. Also, the first 5 Buffs are always taken since a Bard has 3 permanent Themes (3Slots) his resonance icon (1 Slot) and mostly Protect from a tank (1 Slot).
    Followed by your Setbonus (if you are not playing an naked level 1 Character -> Force i.E) (1 Slot) and Light (1 Slot) and you are only left with maybe 3 Buffs to track. Add up a ranger in your party with party strider, and he also takes a slot. Now you are only allowed to track a single buff, because you are at 9 and the 10th icon is rented for the magical (+61) for all the buffs you actually want to track.
    > I want to be able to move the Target of Target UI component

    Otherwise, GJ on the Minimap options and the action bar options so far. Customizing them feels satisfying. I can create a minimalistic UI with no annoying spacings whatsoever. Hope we can get a few more action bars and wont be limited to 3 for way longer, wink.
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  • AdartaerAdartaer Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    I know that what I'm about to say now may just seem ridiculous to many people, but from my 19 years of experience in various MMORPG games, I know this is the case and it is important. And yes, I know and realize that there are more important things to do, but if you ever want to start advertising the game more or encourage more people to test it in the near future: the first thing that requires improvement is the Character Skill Window, it is one of the first things virtually every player does after a few minutes of playing – they open the Character Skill Window to check their abilities. Next in importance are QoL (Quality of Life) things like:

    - Map/Mini-Map settings not saving. When you log into the game, you zoom out the mini-map and when you exit the game and re-enter, these settings reset.

    - Chat settings not saving. When you log into the game and set up all the chat tabs and select all the options that interest you and when you exit the game and re-enter, these settings reset.

    - Quests settings not saving. When you log into the game and you "mark" the Quests you want to complete and when you exit the game and re-enter, these settings reset.

    - Characters/Mobs Names not loading.

    - Missing Quests indicators on the map.

    - NPC icons in Settlements not loading.

    In my opinion, this negatively affects the so-called first impression of the game, which should be positive and well-remembered.
  • xCatGuyxCatGuy Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    My comments are more centered around group play.

    IMO it's very difficult to follow lead. Yes, you can put markers on people but in the middle of a battle when things get intense if your lead (crown from here on out) isn't in front of you then you have no idea where they are.

    I wish there was some better indicators, similar to RDK Group Tool (but no where near that complex), that we could use to know the direction our crown is in. The compass is also in the mini map (unless I'm missing something) and on a big screen it's a big direction of the head turn to look up to the right to see NSEW directions. I wish the compass was it's own semi transparent overlay that took up most of the top hud.

    Give us an arrow, or distance from crown indicator or something - put the ashes tweak to it - so we can have better group coordination.

    right now it's like ants just all over the place trying to figure out where crown is.


    ANOTHER THING

    Totally forgot about this... considering it's always been my top complaint im shocked I forgot it.

    It drives me insane how there are so many effects that look the same. There needs to be a very clear red bad green good indicator (that we can adjust the colors/transparency) of AOEs on the ground. I see flames on the ground... are they from my group or the other group we are PVPing.. no idea until I stand in it.

    Oh, fire hot... ah runnnn. I need heals. Which heals are mine on the ground?! Dead.

    Please, give us something so I can tell my group to not stand in stupid...
  • FluffyRadFluffyRad Member, Alpha Two
    What features or updates would you like to see added to the UI?

    I am looking forward for long time due artisan skill trees to be added (system and UI).
    Most recent look of artisan UI seems to have some space left for it, especially in gathering section.
    Other than that I think current market UI has to be completely reworked to have proper clear look of buy offers in future as well. Current market UI looks very messy and unintuitive to use. Also sell offer expiring in 2 days is way too short, i would extend it to 5-7 days and if market values change its up to player to take offer off and make it different before the offer expire itself.
  • DesarkoDesarko Member, Alpha Two
    clarity around buffs and debuffs, I think these are best expressed as UI elements but it needs to be clear and obvious what we have so that it can be reacted to with cleanses etc.

    Personally i prefer the UI to be more minimal, I like that we can add a lot of info onto the screen but i think this should be a concious choice by the player to activate.

    Additionally with the summoner. I'd like a bit more distinction between the pet skills and the general control skills. Odds are when using the summon you'll be using those skills much more than the general "move here" skills
  • PawketsPawkets Member, Alpha Two
    https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/59016/how-much-can-you-customize-your-ui#latest

    This is something I had tried to bring up initially and based on what I see us having now it is exactly what I said I did not want to see. Right now all we can do is move our entire UI, but there is no adjusting the static pieces of it. I would want to split my HP and mana bars on each side of my character and move the most important aspects as what is shown in this post.

    The thing I asked for is not simply "move everything" which was an addon for WoW but instead the ability to truly customize our entire UI to what we want to see. It was stated back then that this would be the case I just have not seen any movement this direction and feel that it is seen as being already fully customizable. Which it is not.
  • FalkathFalkath Member, Alpha Two
    The UI itself is quite ugly and hardly functional, I get the nostalgia of old school. But we could have a modern UI with old school style, functional and practical !
    - I would make the windows that don't need to be small like options or other "stuff we don't use while actively playing" windows bigger and more practical
    - I would rework the icons of items and material, some look amazing and some look like they were made 20 years ago. Some skills icons, especially for the fighters, don't "describe" at all what the skills does.
    - Perhaps the personalization of the UI is good, but it needs to be easier to manipulate.
    - The fonts are not that great, the large shadow around our player's name and guild is bad i would just reduce or even remove it.
    - Heroic vs Legendary icons are too close in tone, need to look twice to know what they are

    Overall, it's ok for an alpha UI, but it's clearly not clean and pretty enough for the standards you promise, there are way better UIs out there for everyone's tastes and the one we have right now is just not it...
  • TardaganTardagan Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    PvP settings: I would like to see a button that changes all your PvP settings to your preferred settings in a single mouse click (or hotkey). Currently doing this through the settings tickboxes is too cumbersome and too slow. So essentially an on/off button for your pvp settings (not your combatant status).

    Also would like to see a fuel storage, either per settlement, or per table.

    Dual targeting: For abilities that can be used on both friendlies and opponents, I don't believe there is a way to know which target the ability will get cast on, when having both a friendly and hostile target selected.
  • StoneshadeStoneshade Member, Alpha Two
    I have found that if you rebind "f", then you can no longer toggle for pvp [alt+f]. Then only way to do pvp is to hold what I had rebound the pvp button too.

    So a button or skill bar toggle could help for redundancy's sake.
  • durenthaldurenthal Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Castbars under nameplates would be great.

    The ability to select multiple items to sell to a vendor would be great. The confirmation after each individual item sucks. If you have to keep that don't make me move the mouse across the screen to confirm, put the confirmation yes/no right next to the cursor.

    The annoying seizure warning at login should have a checkbox that says "don't show this again"

    If I have no target selected and a monster/enemy hits me, it should auto-target that monster/enemy.

    The defensive target system feels clunky and needs improvement.

    I would like to be able to tone down spell effects, especially friendly ones. Many of the effects are utterly ridiculous.
  • AdartaerAdartaer Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    xCatGuy wrote: »
    it's very difficult to follow lead. Yes, you can put markers on people but in the middle of a battle when things get intense if your lead (crown from here on out) isn't in front of you then you have no idea where they are.

    I think it's very important. I believe the existing "marking system" needs to be expanded to include "numbers" that can be dragged and assigned to the Skill Bar (I have seen this solution in other games and I think it is great).

    I do not intend to promote other games; these images are purely for demonstration purposes.

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  • OrdinAeryOrdinAery Member, Alpha Two
    Mouse: Additional customization for the in-game cursor would be nice. (Size, color, etc.)

    Target Indicator: Additional options to see which enemy you have locked as your target. Right now, there is a red circle below/around the target's feet (and a small dot above their head), but the primary visual can be obstructed by ground AoEs or the root status visuals. So, when a friendly ranger uses something like vine field, it can be hard to tell which enemy you have selected. I would love an option to add a massive outline around my primary target to highlight them, similar to how rogues are notified when they are blocked from going into stealth by a character that is too close.
  • messalinamessalina Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    On behalf of all classes that use skills on themselves:

    It is vital for us to be able to use skills on ourselves without having to change the current target. Example:

    Q -> apply skill to current target
    Alt + Q -> apply skill exclusively to yourself without changing the current target

    This approach greatly improves HP control for clerics and bards, and also allows you to more flexibly manage the flow of skills for your group.
  • NabuuuNabuuu Member, Alpha Two
    Quest follow-up :
    - Please give us some flexibility to resize and relocate this part

    Summoner spirits :
    - I would like to see the various stance status below the pet nameplate, and not only the "melee/range" of the hunter.

    Targets :
    - It's a bit more than UX/UI, but I would like to be able to lock my defensive targets, to prevent any loss of this target.

    Bags & inventory:
    - Its already mentionned, but this needs a bit of human intelligence in order to have windows with decent sizing, as well resizing function.
    - Icons in material bags can also be smaller, as it's the case for items.

    Interface changes
    - Interfaces changes remains complexe, and need some attention to simplify and to make the tool more reliable.
  • harveydent545harveydent545 Member, Alpha Two
    Would like to see a better locked target system i have try every combination of things to get it to work and it has never worked for me.

    Would like ui resizing more on specific items than others like items numbers, or even inside menus. I know this is alpha but some Qol on this will do great strides to making some of the interactions stuff just feel better. I mean I can still read it but even quest text seem too small for my liking.



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