wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?).
cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside.
Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying.
azathoth wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying. So, all that is being asked for is an area where there is no item loss/degradation for PvP? I suppose if there were areas where PvE types could fight mobs and not lose anything that would be fair. I think it would negate the risk versus reward, and it sounds more like APOC or a BR. I mean if the area is limited in size, it's not really open world, it's just in that area. So it could be an instanced arena or other battlefield type.
mcstackerson wrote: » It might be worth waiting for the blog post regarding military nodes before continuing this conversation. I understand some people's fear that it doesn't feel like there is much a pvp centric player can do outside caravans, sieges, and wars, with the frequency of these events being uncertain but It's hard to tell until we have played the game.
wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying. I guarantee that if you put a lawless zone with nothing special in it, that zone will become deserted. Why? Because PKers want victims and if the victims have no reason to go into the lawless zone, then the PKers will have no reason to go there either. I've seen it happen in games like Elite Dangerous.
Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying. I guarantee that if you put a lawless zone with nothing special in it, that zone will become deserted. Why? Because PKers want victims and if the victims have no reason to go into the lawless zone, then the PKers will have no reason to go there either. I've seen it happen in games like Elite Dangerous. There won't be any 'victims' though. Only PvPers that want to fight other PvPers
azathoth wrote: » If only players that want PvP go there, whats the point of it being corruption free? Being corruption free only encourages attacking players that don't fight back.
wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying. I guarantee that if you put a lawless zone with nothing special in it, that zone will become deserted. Why? Because PKers want victims and if the victims have no reason to go into the lawless zone, then the PKers will have no reason to go there either. I've seen it happen in games like Elite Dangerous. There won't be any 'victims' though. Only PvPers that want to fight other PvPers That is a very naive attitude. There will always be players who take great pleasure in killing people who can't fight back.
Karthos wrote: » Having this zone will provide a location where wanting PVP is assumed. If you don't want to PvP then WHY GO DO THE PVP ZONE?! It's not mandatory you go there. I'm honestly at a loss why you decided to die on this hill, when it obvious doesn't effect you...?This is literally the same logic as going to a steak house and ordering a steak, then bitching that you are a vegan.
Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » Seaber wrote: » wanderingmist wrote: » cyanideinsanity wrote: » Again I really don't see a problem with that. If you don't want to risk being pked, don't go there. There's not much reason to dissuade pkers in that area unlike the rest of the world. Like OSRS's revenant caves, its basically "pkers paradise". I had a slayer task there once, and noped the hell on out after taking one step inside. If you put nothing special in the lawless zone then the place will become deserted, since the common targets for PKers won't have any reason to go there, and so the PKers won't go there either (why go to a place where you have no available targets?). What has been asked for is an area with nothing special in it! People want an area for open world pvp where nobody loses anything for dying. I guarantee that if you put a lawless zone with nothing special in it, that zone will become deserted. Why? Because PKers want victims and if the victims have no reason to go into the lawless zone, then the PKers will have no reason to go there either. I've seen it happen in games like Elite Dangerous. There won't be any 'victims' though. Only PvPers that want to fight other PvPers That is a very naive attitude. There will always be players who take great pleasure in killing people who can't fight back. Read the following quote and if you still have your stance after then I have to assume you have some sort of victim complex. Karthos wrote: » Having this zone will provide a location where wanting PVP is assumed. If you don't want to PvP then WHY GO DO THE PVP ZONE?! It's not mandatory you go there. I'm honestly at a loss why you decided to die on this hill, when it obvious doesn't effect you...?This is literally the same logic as going to a steak house and ordering a steak, then bitching that you are a vegan.
Zorish wrote: » What is there difference between an arena and a lawless zone? Unless I have a reason to be there (besides exploration), why would I go to this place? If there's important materials to gather, then PvErs will complain. PvPers might be happy. But do you see the problem? PvErs are risking everything going into this zone, while PvPers are not. What is their penalty for dying if they fail a gank? None. What is the penalty for the PvErs? Losing part of their hard work. Now, if there's nothing of interest for a PvErs, why would they go there, besides exploration? No reason. If they want to explore, they can just go naked. So, you have an entire zone only for PvPers... what is the difference between that and an arena?
Karthos wrote: » I want to kill people, but I don't want a penalty for it. Why? Because I enjoy PvP. And to have a place to play in that way, open world combat where I don't have to worry about corruption would be nice. Am I a griefer or PKer? Not particularly, but I do enjoy a good fight, and the fact that we can have a location to go look for one, where other people are doing the same, will promote a better and healthier community. Or else I have to find my fights where all the PvE players are, and that always ends up with someone upset. Give the PvP it's sandbox, if that's not for you, simply do not go, and enjoy other aspects of the game. It's honestly a win/win
Dygz wrote: » Karthos wrote: » I want to kill people, but I don't want a penalty for it. Why? Because I enjoy PvP. And to have a place to play in that way, open world combat where I don't have to worry about corruption would be nice. Am I a griefer or PKer? Not particularly, but I do enjoy a good fight, and the fact that we can have a location to go look for one, where other people are doing the same, will promote a better and healthier community. Or else I have to find my fights where all the PvE players are, and that always ends up with someone upset. Give the PvP it's sandbox, if that's not for you, simply do not go, and enjoy other aspects of the game. It's honestly a win/win Not as much of a win/win as you think. Lots of PvE-only folk will want to be able to explore that area while being immune to attack. Especially if it has unique or rare materials. So, it would still be controversial regardless. Which doesn't mean a lawless zone shouldn't be implemented - just there would be lots of people who would not view that as a win/win. I would think if there is a lawless zone where there is no Corruption, there would also have to be a lawful zone where PvP combat is not possible.
Karthos wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Karthos wrote: » I want to kill people, but I don't want a penalty for it. Why? Because I enjoy PvP. And to have a place to play in that way, open world combat where I don't have to worry about corruption would be nice. Am I a griefer or PKer? Not particularly, but I do enjoy a good fight, and the fact that we can have a location to go look for one, where other people are doing the same, will promote a better and healthier community. Or else I have to find my fights where all the PvE players are, and that always ends up with someone upset. Give the PvP it's sandbox, if that's not for you, simply do not go, and enjoy other aspects of the game. It's honestly a win/win Not as much of a win/win as you think. Lots of PvE-only folk will want to be able to explore that area while being immune to attack. Especially if it has unique or rare materials. So, it would still be controversial regardless. Which doesn't mean a lawless zone shouldn't be implemented - just there would be lots of people who would not view that as a win/win. I would think if there is a lawless zone where there is no Corruption, there would also have to be a lawful zone where PvP combat is not possible. Eh, then let me PvP in raids/dungeons I want to go play my way in raids, let me kill other players in instanced dungeons. I want to explore those areas of the game by not adhering to the set rules of that location. I don't think that would be well received by raiders. So why is it okay to tell PvPers that? Are we lesser people? Is our play-style inferior? Do we deserve less? Should accommodation be only made for one group and not the other? I'm also open to the lawful zone idea, although I'm seeing this as something people would exploit significantly.
