What features you dislike in MMOs and hope Ashes won't have?

As each MMORPGs have some good features (GW2 mounts, crafting system of SWG, housing of Wildstar *RIP* etc), they have some bad ones as well. They tend to have very similar features to WoW and other traditional MMORPGs which most people dislike and think they're outdated. There are two features I see in MMOs and despise. One of them is the 'artificial' feel most of MMOs in which case you just click stuff to do things with the mouse pointer (kills the immersion and looks ugly tbh). The other is boring and non skill based combat (both action: spamming abilities in order and tab: pressing buttons at the right time...) So, what features you don't want to see in Ashes of Creation?

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Ravudha

Could make a long list but my #1 is:

Empty cities - most mmos have 10 npcs occupying their capital cities. BDO got it right. NPCs should be everywhere: in the streets, in the markets, on the road, travelling around, in the fields harvesting.

When I see the Vaelune metropolis I think about Mahadevi in Archeage, which feels completely dead, and cross my fingers Aoc will be completely different in the amount of NPC activity cities have.

T Elf

I dislike when a mob is attacking and NPCs stand around and walk around like nothing is going on...nothing to see here...
I want NPCs to react to what is happening, have them run away if necessary, have them fight, have them cower; do something to show they, too, are part of the experience.

Wandering Mist

tarros wrote: »

How does that not help a newbie? You either learn through assistance of other people or through being thrown to the wolves. At that point if you did not learn anything than maybe MMOs are not for you.

The problem is that (in WoW especially) there is this expectation that everyone in the group knows the dungeon like the back of their hand and you just speed run through. This is not always the case, and new players often get kicked from groups for not knowing what to do. I saw it so often while leveling alts and it legitimately angered me whenever a new player got lost and then was kicked from the group for slowing the group down.

That's the other problem with automated group finder tools, you can't control who is going to end up in your group. Let's say you were an experienced player who wanted to speed run through the dungeon, and I was a relatively new player who wanted to take things slower in order to learn my class (maybe I'm healing or tanking for the first time, etc). If you were to set up a group manually you would make it clear that you intended to speed run through and only want players who knew exactly what they were doing. I would never manually sign up to a group like that. But an automated group finder might very well match us together when we are looking for entirely different objectives.

Yes, setting up a group manually takes more time and effort, but it ensures that everyone in the group is on the same page, knows what to expect from the run and is prepared for it before you go in.

Jokuc

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

- Cash shop skins for weapons and gear that look way better or identical to rare gear. Like seriously, why would anyone bother using the default skin for a legendary sword if you can just buy a similar look from the cash shop?

Azryil

Jokuc wrote: »

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

I'm hoping that the lack of boss mods will aid this, one of the biggest problems in WoW was every time a new raid came out the developers of DBM/BigWigs had most of the fight timers added to their mods so for the most part you could just stare at a timer the whole fight and know exactly what was coming and when.

Damokles

arzosah wrote: »

Jokuc wrote: »

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

I'm hoping that the lack of boss mods will aid this, one of the biggest problems in WoW was every time a new raid came out the developers of DBM/BigWigs had most of the fight timers added to their mods so for the most part you could just stare at a timer the whole fight and know exactly what was coming and when.

The reason could also have been that Blizzard started to implement Raids in "Beta" builds, leading to guides that come out even before the raid is released....

Lyiat

Jokuc wrote: »

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

The problem with this idea, as much as I like it, is that if it 'takes months' to figure out how to fight some of these world bosses or raid fights... If that creature is part of one of the dynamic events for a node, you can say goodbye to the node's progress every time it shows up until you learn it. A dragon can and will destroy a metro if it's not stopped.

Azryil

Damokles wrote: »

arzosah wrote: »

Jokuc wrote: »

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

I'm hoping that the lack of boss mods will aid this, one of the biggest problems in WoW was every time a new raid came out the developers of DBM/BigWigs had most of the fight timers added to their mods so for the most part you could just stare at a timer the whole fight and know exactly what was coming and when.

The reason could also have been that Blizzard started to implement Raids in "Beta" builds, leading to guides that come out even before the raid is released....

True, but without the PTR testing bosses could be released with bugs that made the encounter nearly impossible. It's a bit of a double edged sword.

Damokles

@arzosah
Yeah, but that way they took everything that interests you in a raid out of the raid, the exploration. You know what they will do before they do it.
Burning Crusade and WotLK didnt have Raids on the Beta servers i believe, and they did okay.

Karthos

arzosah wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

arzosah wrote: »

Jokuc wrote: »

- Bosses/raids that are too easy. I'd like to see a boss that is so difficult you'll have to spend months to beat it. I don't mean what Steven said on a livestream that it might take a long time to beat a boss event because there are multiple stages, I mean like the boss itself is so strong that your knowledge of the boss, skill level and equipment needs to be perfect to even stand a chance.

I'm hoping that the lack of boss mods will aid this, one of the biggest problems in WoW was every time a new raid came out the developers of DBM/BigWigs had most of the fight timers added to their mods so for the most part you could just stare at a timer the whole fight and know exactly what was coming and when.

The reason could also have been that Blizzard started to implement Raids in "Beta" builds, leading to guides that come out even before the raid is released....

True, but without the PTR testing bosses could be released with bugs that made the encounter nearly impossible. It's a bit of a double edged sword.

Bugs are just part of gaming. What you do hint at is something I've come to realize. PTRs are about finding out which bugs are "acceptable" bugs for players.

There may be a bug that makes a boss one shot people. Not acceptable, needs patch now.

There may be another bug that makes the boss reset if you move to far away. Somewhat acceptable, will patch soon.

A third bug makes the boss's death animation loop on occasion. Acceptable, may or may not patch, probably get around to it, maybe not.

Azryil

Damokles wrote: »

@arzosah
Yeah, but that way they took everything that interests you in a raid out of the raid, the exploration. You know what they will do before they do it.
Burning Crusade and WotLK didnt have Raids on the Beta servers i believe, and they did okay.

I don't disagree. I think the PTR can serve it's purpose of uncovering bugs without giving away too much. Say any boss testing on PTR is done in a somewhat bland arena with a generic boss model as to not give away who the boss is or anything about the boss arena that would actually be used in a raid. This would allow them to test boss mechanics without giving away the raid. Alternatively if Intrepid has a large enough QA department they may not need players to assist at all. The reason PTR environment exist is to get more people playing with new features as 1000 outsiders are going to use the feature in a different way than 20 people that have inside knowledge of the feature intended use and function.

poisonz

Themepark

Volgaire

Nagash wrote: »

shitty lore that is copy and pasted off others

looks at WoW

Eh I loved the Warcraft Universe since W3 was my first game, but wow recently is looking really bad, it used to be great but the new developments are headache inducing.

Magic Man

poisonz wrote: »

Themepark

@poisonz I'm personally not against *some* themepark features as long as the story is good (like Witcher 3 kind of good - not rubbish MMO kind). I don't even like categorizing MMOs as 'sandbox' or 'themepark'..Obviously sandbox is what they were supposed to be in the first place..while themepark bit can be really boring if it's done in a way that has been done so far in other MMORPGs

Nagash

Autumnleaf wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

shitty lore that is copy and pasted off others

looks at WoW

Eh I loved the Warcraft Universe since W3 was my first game, but wow recently is looking really bad, it used to be great but the new developments are headache inducing.

that because early Warcraft was just copied and paste of Warhammer

lusiphur

I dislike character builds that become the de facto way to play. ESO is real good for this if you aren't playing the Redguard stamina templar go back to the inn and have another beer. Devs should have the guts to tweak a build for good or bad before it becomes too dominant and affects other players.

tiltowait

Fast travel (I'm ok with AFK travel).

Fishing minigames (only enjoy AFK fishing. It's supposed to be relaxing, I love watching netflix and checking what I caught every once in a while).

Plateau

I don't like AFK things that require you to have the game running in the background. If there's gonna be AFK tasks (like fishing, material processing, building) then just let me close the game and go do other shit with my life. Don't wanna have to check progress every 2 minutes, or waste CPU cycles for something that requires 0 input on my part.

AFK travel seems inevitable at this point, and that's fine I guess, since fast travel makes distances and regional differences meaningless. But I'd rather have interesting things to do while travelling (just look at what GW2 does with its open world).

But my biggest complaints are usually about RNG drops/progression (mounts especially). If there's a specific goal that you need to grind specific content for, then it should have a hard-cap on how much you need to grind it for tokens or whatever, not just a random drop chance. I hate it when there's a cosmetic that you really want, but the dungeon you get it from is garbage, and you don't even know how long you have to suffer in that dungeon to get it.

Apok

I miss MMOs being challenging and having adversity. companies keep making MMOs easier and easier so players with no social skills can solo the game through grinding and crafting their way to the top. We as social creatures should be able to play in an environment where we have to have help from others

georgeblack

Instanced content and safe zones beyont cities

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