Planned Information Release Schedule Request

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

In what way have they broken promises?

They made a launch date that got disrupted due to new information, that’s not breaking a promise. I’d argue most people were well aware it wasn’t going to happen even if IS was fully intending to have it done that quickly.

They said they don’t have plans to launch the MMO on steam, which is true, it can change in the future and that doesn’t make their statement now untrue. APOC is not the MMO, it’s a testing platform. The rewards are transferring over to the MMO anyway to reward people for testing

This is why I dont trust them.

They said the would self publish they then changed that to my.com.
They said before 2020 even if we know they would never make it its still a false promise
The monetised the testing ground (apoc)
they said they would not post on steam and now they are (they said this before Apoc with a thing)

and these are just the main things. If this was a AAA company like EA or Activision we would be up in arms

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

No offense, but it is comments like this that make developers pull back in to their shell and not tell their player base anything.

Everything any game developer says is always tentative. Just because they plan on doing a thing today, that doesn't mean that plan will still be the case tomorrow. If they announced they were wanting to do that thing today, and then tomorrow their plans changed, they get players complaining of "broken promises" - even though they were only talking about the at-the-time plan.

If I were in Stevens position, I'd only ever talk about things that were finished - or talk about nothing at all.

If this were any other company that made the same mistakes as Intriped, then we would hold them to it and that what I'm doing. Intrepid is a crowdfunded game and if they can't take a bit of criticism then why crowdfund?

Nagash wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

No offense, but it is comments like this that make developers pull back in to their shell and not tell their player base anything.

Everything any game developer says is always tentative. Just because they plan on doing a thing today, that doesn't mean that plan will still be the case tomorrow. If they announced they were wanting to do that thing today, and then tomorrow their plans changed, they get players complaining of "broken promises" - even though they were only talking about the at-the-time plan.

If I were in Stevens position, I'd only ever talk about things that were finished - or talk about nothing at all.

If this were any other company that made the same mistakes as Intriped, then we would hold them to it and that what I'm doing. Intrepid is a crowdfunded game and if they can't take a bit of criticism then why crowdfund?

Oh, criticism in itself is fine. I mean, I'm a somewhat critical person both professionally and privately.

Thing is, if a company is telling you their plans, and those plans are what they intend to do when they tell you, if things change and those plans are no longer what they intend to do, it doesn't mean they lied.

If what they told you was accurate when they told you, then we have no reason to ever complain about that statement.

If we do complain about statements they have made about plans that were accurate when they told us, then we have no one to blame but ourselves if they stop telling us what their plans are - crowdfunding or no.

If you want to be critical, be critical of what the plans actually are - not of the fact that plans change.

And how do we know what they say is true? Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020 that should mean most of the game would have been finished in this year, yet we have nothing to show for it which is odd. Personally, I think they messed up and were way behind to start with and that why we have nothing. That's, why I dont, trust them as they have done nothing to earn it.

Nagash wrote: »

Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020

If that is what they thought when they said it, then the statement was correct.

If they say "we think the game will be out..." or "we hope the game will be out...", or even "we want the game to be out..." then they are not actually saying "the game will be out..."

We have never been given a release date, or even a release window. All we have been given is what they want to happen. No lies, no tricks, just players reading words that aren't actually there.

That said, I have never been anything other than disappointed by a game that was released on schedule.

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020

If that is what they thought when they said it, then the statement was correct.

That said, I have never been anything other than disappointed by a game that was released on schedule.

so where is the proof?

Nagash wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020

If that is what they thought when they said it, then the statement was correct.

That said, I have never been anything other than disappointed by a game that was released on schedule.

so where is the proof?

Proof is not required for opinions.

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020

If that is what they thought when they said it, then the statement was correct.

That said, I have never been anything other than disappointed by a game that was released on schedule.

so where is the proof?

Proof is not required for opinions.

you are right but it is required to build trust and thats my problem

Nagash wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Let's say they thought the game would come out for 2020

If that is what they thought when they said it, then the statement was correct.

That said, I have never been anything other than disappointed by a game that was released on schedule.

so where is the proof?

Proof is not required for opinions.

you are right but it is required to build trust and thats my problem

So far, I've not seen anything from Intrepid to erode any trust I have in them. I haven't seen anything to increase it either.

As a company that doesn't yet have a product to market, this is expected.

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

In what way have they broken promises?

They made a launch date that got disrupted due to new information, that’s not breaking a promise. I’d argue most people were well aware it wasn’t going to happen even if IS was fully intending to have it done that quickly.

They said they don’t have plans to launch the MMO on steam, which is true, it can change in the future and that doesn’t make their statement now untrue. APOC is not the MMO, it’s a testing platform. The rewards are transferring over to the MMO anyway to reward people for testing

This is why I dont trust them.

They said the would self publish they then changed that to my.com.
They said before 2020 even if we know they would never make it its still a false promise
The monetised the testing ground (apoc)
they said they would not post on steam and now they are (they said this before Apoc with a thing)

and these are just the main things. If this was a AAA company like EA or Activision we would be up in arms

Where were any of those statements presented as promises? Where did they swear these things would for sure happen?

They told you plans, plans change, most people understand that.

Also, in what way is APOC being monetized? Are you referring to packages being sold for the MMO? I would think not but there hasn’t been anything involving real money sales in regards to APOC thusfar

Azathoth

For me it was the use of language to seemingly back peddle on some KS things after the fact.
Many have said this is just KS peeps being "elitist" or what not, and that's fine. It doesn't change the fact they doubled down on the thesaurus to make what seemed like pretty straight forward statements more broad. They have done this a few times, there is usually a slight upheaval from those that feel like they took the bait and got switched. However, it is usually over shadowed by the response from those benefiting.

There are several threads about this. So if you care enough to ask what types of things, I will refer you to looking. Otherwise take it or leave it.

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

In what way have they broken promises?

They made a launch date that got disrupted due to new information, that’s not breaking a promise. I’d argue most people were well aware it wasn’t going to happen even if IS was fully intending to have it done that quickly.

They said they don’t have plans to launch the MMO on steam, which is true, it can change in the future and that doesn’t make their statement now untrue. APOC is not the MMO, it’s a testing platform. The rewards are transferring over to the MMO anyway to reward people for testing

This is why I dont trust them.

They said the would self publish they then changed that to my.com.
They said before 2020 even if we know they would never make it its still a false promise
The monetised the testing ground (apoc)
they said they would not post on steam and now they are (they said this before Apoc with a thing)

and these are just the main things. If this was a AAA company like EA or Activision we would be up in arms

Where were any of those statements presented as promises? Where did they swear these things would for sure happen?

They told you plans, plans change, most people understand that.

Also, in what way is APOC being monetized? Are you referring to packages being sold for the MMO? I would think not but there hasn’t been anything involving real money sales in regards to APOC thusfar

APOC has a season pass

Wandering Mist

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

In what way have they broken promises?

They made a launch date that got disrupted due to new information, that’s not breaking a promise. I’d argue most people were well aware it wasn’t going to happen even if IS was fully intending to have it done that quickly.

They said they don’t have plans to launch the MMO on steam, which is true, it can change in the future and that doesn’t make their statement now untrue. APOC is not the MMO, it’s a testing platform. The rewards are transferring over to the MMO anyway to reward people for testing

This is why I dont trust them.

They said the would self publish they then changed that to my.com.
They said before 2020 even if we know they would never make it its still a false promise
The monetised the testing ground (apoc)
they said they would not post on steam and now they are (they said this before Apoc with a thing)

and these are just the main things. If this was a AAA company like EA or Activision we would be up in arms

Where were any of those statements presented as promises? Where did they swear these things would for sure happen?

They told you plans, plans change, most people understand that.

Also, in what way is APOC being monetized? Are you referring to packages being sold for the MMO? I would think not but there hasn’t been anything involving real money sales in regards to APOC thusfar

APOC has a season pass

It does? That's news to me.

As for Intrepid in general, I gave them the benefit of the doubt regarding the initial release date, chalking it up to Steven's enthusiasm and inexperience in the game industry getting ahead of him, making him say things which were never going to happen.

I don't have any experience with my.com so I can't comment on that.

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

I know we all paid to play, and I understand wanting more information. I even get not wanting to think about it or spend time 'following' it until release.

But a mass exodus of people leaving and never coming back would be odd.

As far as giving money now and wanting transparency in return, that makes sense too. I just don't think our dollars paid for that level of response.

It was nice when we had it, but as the game gets closer to play time and the community here and at large grows, there is greater chance for more negative publicity than positive with every thing they release.

We all know people are more apt to talk aboit things they don't like, than things they do. At least through media.

At this point, the devs have made so many mistakes and false promises that it's becoming a joke. Trust is the one thing intrepid should be working on gaining as everything they say is based on trust, but so far they have lost most of it.

In what way have they broken promises?

They made a launch date that got disrupted due to new information, that’s not breaking a promise. I’d argue most people were well aware it wasn’t going to happen even if IS was fully intending to have it done that quickly.

They said they don’t have plans to launch the MMO on steam, which is true, it can change in the future and that doesn’t make their statement now untrue. APOC is not the MMO, it’s a testing platform. The rewards are transferring over to the MMO anyway to reward people for testing

This is why I dont trust them.

They said the would self publish they then changed that to my.com.
They said before 2020 even if we know they would never make it its still a false promise
The monetised the testing ground (apoc)
they said they would not post on steam and now they are (they said this before Apoc with a thing)

and these are just the main things. If this was a AAA company like EA or Activision we would be up in arms

Where were any of those statements presented as promises? Where did they swear these things would for sure happen?

They told you plans, plans change, most people understand that.

Also, in what way is APOC being monetized? Are you referring to packages being sold for the MMO? I would think not but there hasn’t been anything involving real money sales in regards to APOC thusfar

APOC has a season pass

APOC is completely free

yes APOC is free but it does have a season pass you can pay for

Nagash wrote: »

yes APOC is free but it does have a season pass you can pay for

There is no currently no season pass available for purchase, if there is please link it.

The only one I could find any mention of was a pass that would allow you to earn cosmetics and minor bonuses for playing a whole hell of a lot to reach high levels. And as mentioned before, these cosmetics are all transferring to the MMO.

syl

@Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

unknownsystemerror

No payee, no tickee. If you want the cosmetics from the legendary path, you pay. Unless of course you have a package with A1 access. Those have a lifetime season pass. Everyone else that had testing in their packages gets season 1 for free. After that they pay. And anyone that doesn't have a package. They pay. Of course it is all cosmetic, and the exp boosts only apply to APOC, but hey, gotta make that scratch somehow.