Planned Information Release Schedule Request

These recent snippets / updates of work in progress and game lements have been great and something to look forward to.

Whilst I understand there is an overall hesitation to provide too much commitment to the master schedule with fixed dates and more macro elements are not ready for release.

On a more micro scale, is there a chance of even a basic outline of the content snippets planned release schedule?

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Nagash

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Wandering Mist

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Yeah, when you put it like that it does seem pretty shady. I've been thinking about this whole situation a lot recently and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm perfectly fine with financially supporting the development of the game (I wouldn't have backed the kickstarter otherwise), but this seems a bit too greedy.

I'd love to give Intrepid the benefit of the doubt on this and believe them when they say they need the extra money to stay on schedule, but it's so hard when you see what the rest of the gaming industry is doing.

I'm honestly sick of the gaming industry right now. It used to be so simple: You bought a full game with no strings attached and played it. When you were done with that game you bought a new one. The only exception to this were the subscription-based mmorpgs but even they were very easy to understand. Your subscription paid to keep the servers running and that's it.

Now..... Now I don't know half the time what I'm paying for when I buy a new game. I wish we could go back to those simpler times, when developers actually released completed games instead of this "release it half-finished and patch it later" bullshit.

Sorry, I'm ranting now but it's just so frustrating to feel that every company only seems to care about getting as much money from the players as possible.

Nagash

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Yeah, when you put it like that it does seem pretty shady. I've been thinking about this whole situation a lot recently and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm perfectly fine with financially supporting the development of the game (I wouldn't have backed the kickstarter otherwise), but this seems a bit too greedy.

I'd love to give Intrepid the benefit of the doubt on this and believe them when they say they need the extra money to stay on schedule, but it's so hard when you see what the rest of the gaming industry is doing.

I'm honestly sick of the gaming industry right now. It used to be so simple: You bought a full game with no strings attached and played it. When you were done with that game you bought a new one. The only exception to this were the subscription-based mmorpgs but even they were very easy to understand. Your subscription paid to keep the servers running and that's it.

Now..... Now I don't know half the time what I'm paying for when I buy a new game. I wish we could go back to those simpler times, when developers actually released completed games instead of this "release it half-finished and patch it later" bullshit.

Sorry, I'm ranting now but it's just so frustrating to feel that every company only seems to care about getting as much money from the players as possible.

That the same way I feel

Noaani

syl wrote: »

@Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

I have perhaps a different stance on this whole thing to everyone else.

To me, the reason to buy Legendary access here is not to get any more out of Apoc at all - it is to get what will no doubt be exclusive cosmetics in the MMO when it launches.

To me, the whole thing is nothing more than a different path by which to get cosmetics in the MMO - buying them outright is one path, and earning them in Apoc (including the $10 to get Legendary access if you want even more cosmetics) is another.

Put another way, to me, this is nothing more than the continuation of selling cosmetics for the MMO, they have just tied Apoc participation in to it.

Edit to add; I admit it's borderline in terms of their statement to not monetize Apoc, but to me it is on the acceptable side of that line.

Damokles

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Yeah, when you put it like that it does seem pretty shady. I've been thinking about this whole situation a lot recently and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm perfectly fine with financially supporting the development of the game (I wouldn't have backed the kickstarter otherwise), but this seems a bit too greedy.

I'd love to give Intrepid the benefit of the doubt on this and believe them when they say they need the extra money to stay on schedule, but it's so hard when you see what the rest of the gaming industry is doing.

I'm honestly sick of the gaming industry right now. It used to be so simple: You bought a full game with no strings attached and played it. When you were done with that game you bought a new one. The only exception to this were the subscription-based mmorpgs but even they were very easy to understand. Your subscription paid to keep the servers running and that's it.

Now..... Now I don't know half the time what I'm paying for when I buy a new game. I wish we could go back to those simpler times, when developers actually released completed games instead of this "release it half-finished and patch it later" bullshit.

Sorry, I'm ranting now but it's just so frustrating to feel that every company only seems to care about getting as much money from the players as possible.

I dont really see any reason why you should think that they are "greedy"...
They are an independent studio, with expanding costs. Do they force you to buy all that? No. No they do not force you to buy anything. Do they give out skins if you buy sh*t? Yes. Yes they do. Is that a problem for you? No. No, it is not a problem for you specifically...

The "old times", where you knew what you where getting, are still there. Many developers just put extra stuff in other versions of the same game to get even more money.

The problem with the current gaming industry lies not with the developers (okay, yes there are also bad developers), but rather with the publishers. Look at Bungie, they didnt want Destiny 2 to develop that way, but where "forced" by Activision to go a bad route.
Publishers want the devlopers to push out games as fast as possible, even though many games are only half finished. Look at WoD for example. They had to cut 3/4 of content out, because the publisher relocated tons of resources to the NEXT EXPANSION.

Noaani

Damokles wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Yeah, when you put it like that it does seem pretty shady. I've been thinking about this whole situation a lot recently and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm perfectly fine with financially supporting the development of the game (I wouldn't have backed the kickstarter otherwise), but this seems a bit too greedy.

I'd love to give Intrepid the benefit of the doubt on this and believe them when they say they need the extra money to stay on schedule, but it's so hard when you see what the rest of the gaming industry is doing.

I'm honestly sick of the gaming industry right now. It used to be so simple: You bought a full game with no strings attached and played it. When you were done with that game you bought a new one. The only exception to this were the subscription-based mmorpgs but even they were very easy to understand. Your subscription paid to keep the servers running and that's it.

Now..... Now I don't know half the time what I'm paying for when I buy a new game. I wish we could go back to those simpler times, when developers actually released completed games instead of this "release it half-finished and patch it later" bullshit.

Sorry, I'm ranting now but it's just so frustrating to feel that every company only seems to care about getting as much money from the players as possible.

I dont really see any reason why you should think that they are "greedy"...
They are an independent studio, with expanding costs. Do they force you to buy all that? No. No they do not force you to buy anything. Do they give out skins if you buy sh*t? Yes. Yes they do. Is that a problem for you? No. No, it is not a problem for you specifically...

The "old times", where you knew what you where getting, are still there. Many developers just put extra stuff in other versions of the same game to get even more money.

The problem with the current gaming industry lies not with the developers (okay, yes there are also bad developers), but rather with the publishers. Look at Bungie, they didnt want Destiny 2 to develop that way, but where "forced" by Activision to go a bad route.
Publishers want the devlopers to push out games as fast as possible, even though many games are only half finished. Look at WoD for example. They had to cut 3/4 of content out, because the publisher relocated tons of resources to the NEXT EXPANSION.

I have to agree.

In general, I've always looked at it as the developer of a game being the people that actually give a shit, and the publisher of the game being faceless suits that care about nothing at all other than the bottom line - I mean; why would you be a publisher otherwise?

Wandering Mist

Damokles wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

syl wrote: »

@ Caeryl
This link "There will be an optional Legendary Path that players can purchase."
And this one (second dot).

Yes I saw that one, but given even the least expensive MMO pre-order packs include the APOC pass (Compendium Season 1 - The Exodus), that hardly seems like monetizing the testing platform. By now I'd guess most people would have purchased at least one pack of cosmetics for AoC. I can accept if someone wants to call the future passes another method of further funding development for the MMO, because it is, however those who toss out accusations that it's just to rake in more money are simply paranoid. We've already gotten a ton of confirmation that APOC rewards transfer to the MMO.

I agree the gaming industry hasn't done much to inspire confidence lately, but it'd be nice if people could just give IS a chance without throwing out "woo boy another EA" the second they mention putting a cost on a portion of cosmetic products.

the fact is they put a season pass in a testing ground I dont care if you say it fine its still monetizing a test

Yeah, when you put it like that it does seem pretty shady. I've been thinking about this whole situation a lot recently and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm perfectly fine with financially supporting the development of the game (I wouldn't have backed the kickstarter otherwise), but this seems a bit too greedy.

I'd love to give Intrepid the benefit of the doubt on this and believe them when they say they need the extra money to stay on schedule, but it's so hard when you see what the rest of the gaming industry is doing.

I'm honestly sick of the gaming industry right now. It used to be so simple: You bought a full game with no strings attached and played it. When you were done with that game you bought a new one. The only exception to this were the subscription-based mmorpgs but even they were very easy to understand. Your subscription paid to keep the servers running and that's it.

Now..... Now I don't know half the time what I'm paying for when I buy a new game. I wish we could go back to those simpler times, when developers actually released completed games instead of this "release it half-finished and patch it later" bullshit.

Sorry, I'm ranting now but it's just so frustrating to feel that every company only seems to care about getting as much money from the players as possible.

I dont really see any reason why you should think that they are "greedy"...
They are an independent studio, with expanding costs. Do they force you to buy all that? No. No they do not force you to buy anything. Do they give out skins if you buy sh*t? Yes. Yes they do. Is that a problem for you? No. No, it is not a problem for you specifically...

The "old times", where you knew what you where getting, are still there. Many developers just put extra stuff in other versions of the same game to get even more money.

The problem with the current gaming industry lies not with the developers (okay, yes there are also bad developers), but rather with the publishers. Look at Bungie, they didnt want Destiny 2 to develop that way, but where "forced" by Activision to go a bad route.
Publishers want the devlopers to push out games as fast as possible, even though many games are only half finished. Look at WoD for example. They had to cut 3/4 of content out, because the publisher relocated tons of resources to the NEXT EXPANSION.

From the player's point of view it really doesn't matter if the fault lies with the developer, the publisher or the investors behind the scenes. The result is the same. And no, you absolutely DON'T know what you are getting half the time. There are so many options, from paid DLC to season passes to entirely different versions of the same game. And none of it is consistent. Sometimes a season pass gives you free access to all the DLC produced in that year, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a different version of the game has different content included in it, sometimes not. It's all a complete mess, and for those with the tin foil hats in place, it is specifically designed to confuse the players as much as possible.

When I bought Super Smash Bros on the N64, I went to the store, bought the game, went home, put the cartridge into my console and played it. Simple as that. No patching or updates required, no need to log in to check my identity, no being bombarded with adverts for microtransactions, nothing. And of course, absolutely nothing locked behind a pay-wall. In Super Smash Bros I had full access to all the characters programmed into the game, assuming I had the skill/dedication to unlock them.

That's what I mean by knowing exactly what you are buying. In Mortal Kombat X there were a bunch of fully functional characters that were either locked behind a pay-wall or locked off completely.

Azathoth

If they implement micro-transactions in Ashes it will be a f*ing mess.
The only way I could see them remotely justifying it would be going F2P, but that would also be a f*ing mess.

I don't think IS plans this for Ashes, as things like this have been treated as bad mojo by IS in the past. But all that damn word smithery...

Nagash

Azathoth wrote: »

If they implement micro-transactions in Ashes it will be a f*ing mess.
The only way I could see them remotely justifying it would be going F2P, but that would also be a f*ing mess.

I don't think IS plans this for Ashes, as things like this have been treated as bad mojo by IS in the past. But all that damn word smithery...

they already have its called embers

Azathoth

Wait, we buy embers and use them to unlock content?

I thought it was more of an in game way of earning 'credits' for the store. Which, last I checked, was cosmetics only.

Nagash

Azathoth wrote: »

Wait, we buy embers and use them to unlock content?

I thought it was more of an in game way of earning 'credits' for the store. Which, last I checked, was cosmetics only.

embers are intrepid in-game cash currency with it you can buy cosmetics, levels in the battle pass in the BR and the battle pass its self. All of which is classed as micro-transactions

Azathoth

Agreed, but if they don't effectively make the MMORPG easier to play, I am not worried. When/if they transition into an Embers-to-Win style of credit I will let loose my rage!

@Nagash think you for the clarification.

Nagash

Azathoth wrote: »

Agreed, but if they don't effectively make the MMORPG easier to play, I am not worried. When/if they transition into an Embers-to-Win style of credit I will let loose my rage!

@Nagash think you for the clarification.

You and me both ^^

Dygz

If IS wanted to get as much momey as possible the BR would have been up 24/7 since Dec 2018...
All these months while they worked on fixes.
And it would still be live right now.

Azathoth

Dygz wrote: »

If IS wanted to get as much momey as possible the BR would have been up 24/7 since Dec 2018...
All these months while they worked on fixes.
And it would still be live right now.

While true, that doesn't mean they won't later transition Embers into that role. But also, if they needed to focus on Ashes and they were having back end issues, maybe they couldn't keep it up. Maybe the cash flow in from the BR couldn't out pace the cost of servers and server fixes.

Not that I expect IS would do that.

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