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Blackhearted

The same applies for boss mechanics also.
When you fail boss mechanics u lose mana, maybe dps and things affecting other difficulty variables.

Why do u think its a bad design?

Noaani

blackhearted wrote: »

The same applies for boss mechanics also.
When you fail boss mechanics u lose mana, maybe dps and things affecting other difficulty variables.

Why do u think its a bad design?

If an encounter has specific mechanics or a script to it, or is supposed to offer a specific challenge to the raid, if a raid that is at an appropriate point (level, gear, knowledge etc) is able to avoid that mechanic, script or challenge simply by out DPS'ing the design specification of the encounter, it is bad design because the while point of the encounter is wasted.

The raid would have the same experience with a much simpler (and thus cheaper and faster to produce) raid encounter.

If the raid has suprasses the appropriate point for that encounter though, being able to out DPS the encounter design is not necessarily bad.

Any time a player, group or raid is able to cheese through content that is appropriate for them, that is an absolute marker of poorly designed content.

Blackhearted

It comes down to the strategy the raid is attempting to optimize.

When you miss a que for incoming attack you take damage. Healer needs to heal you, they lose mana and ticks they could have used better.
The amount of the times a boss can attack is tied to how long it survives. Thus the faster you kill it the less you need mana.

When your team cant kill it fast enough the team needs to manage their resources better, do better avoiding hits and do everything else that bit better.

This only breaks if u have one shot mechanic the game doesnt offer tools to beat at all.
Id like to mention though that often people just give up without looking for out of the box solutions.

Noaani

blackhearted wrote: »

It comes down to the strategy the raid is attempting to optimize.

That depends on what we are talking about.

If we are still talking about whether or not an encounter that is designed with a specific mechanic in mind but can be cheesed via high DPS is a good encounter design or not, well, that has nothing at all to do with what strategy the raid is trying to use.

Content designers know what DPS a raid in their game is capable of - in theory they know it better than we do. The developers set the limits on what players can and can not do, so they have no excuses for getting it wrong.

If they put in an encounter that has a mechanic, but put so few HP on the encounter that it is possible for an appropriate raid to kill the encounter without that mechanic being a factor, then regardless of literally anything else, that is bad design.

consultant

So if someone does have low dps informationt that they should know just how exactly is that person suppose to know they need to take action to improve. Think just kind of adds to the problem of toxicity.

GrinningJack

Is this still going on?

Damokles

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Is this still going on?

Seriously, I dont really know, and at this point i am too afriad to ask...

GrinningJack

Damokles wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Is this still going on?

Seriously, I dont really know, and at this point i am too afriad to ask...

Its a never ending topic, its been going on for ages haha

Nagash

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Is this still going on?

Seriously, I dont really know, and at this point i am too afriad to ask...

Its a never ending topic, its been going on for ages haha

its the 4th longest thread

Noaani

consultant wrote: »

So if someone does have low dps informationt that they should know just how exactly is that person suppose to know they need to take action to improve. Think just kind of adds to the problem of toxicity.

I have to agree.

Everyone saying that you should know the people you group or raid with seem to forget one basic thing - just because you are able to kill easy content with someone, doesn't mean that person is good.

The basic notion of always grouping with people you know totally falls flat the second you get to hard content (group or raid) and are unable to kill it.

According to the theory presented by some in this thread, you already know the people in your group/raid are good, because you have killed easier content with them. Therefore, this new content that isn't dying must what? be bugged?

Without objective data to compare between players, there is literally no way of knowing if you are good or not, or if your build is good or not.

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Is this still going on?

Seriously, I dont really know, and at this point i am too afriad to ask...

Its a never ending topic, its been going on for ages haha

its the 4th longest thread

How much longer do we have to go to get to number 1?

Damokles

@noaani @nagash This thread is already the biggest non-toast thread on the new forums (not counting the archived threads).
The DPS meter thread has 4.6k views and 569 comments.
The Solo gameplay thread has 5k views and 234 comments.

DPS Meter is officially the longest thread and has the second most views in the General Discussions forum.

(I scanned quickly through the whole general discussions forum)

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

@noaani @nagash This thread is already the biggest non-toast thread on the new forums (not counting the archived threads).
The DPS meter thread has 4.6k views and 569 comments.
The Solo gameplay thread has 5k views and 234 comments.

DPS Meter is officially the longest thread and has the second most views in the General Discussions forum.

(I scanned quickly through the whole general discussions forum)

I was counting the old forum. May it rest in peace

Magic Man

90% of the comments aren't even related to the OP's topic 😅

Nagash

Magic Man wrote: »

90% of the comments aren't even related to the OP's topic 😅

Welcome to the forums ^^

Damokles

Magic Man wrote: »

90% of the comments aren't even related to the OP's topic 😅

unknownsystemerror

@Damokles Yet, if you only count the different posters once it would barely make a blip. Just because a couple individuals post in a thread dozens of times does not make it indicative of the state of discussion.

Lets recap:
Noaani: I want dps meters. I know they have said no, but I want them.
Dygz: They said no. Stahp it.
Repeat.

Noaani

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

@Damokles Yet, if you only count the different posters once it would barely make a blip. Just because a couple individuals post in a thread dozens of times does not make it indicative of the state of discussion.

Lets recap:
Noaani: I want dps meters. I know they have said no, but I want them.
Dygz: They said no. Stahp it.
Repeat.

To be fair, I don't think I've ever said that they have said no.

To my knowledge (you'd be the one to correct me if I'm wrong though), all they have said is that they don't want third party DPS meters - a sentiment I 100% agree with.

That said, if they have said no, then I want to change their mind.

Kosturko

So if there is no dps meter that means that Raids will be way to easy ? Otherwise without logs how can you make a hardcore pve guild ? More importantly how can you recruit players when you can’t judge anyone’s performance ?

Nagash

Kosturko wrote: »

So if there is no dps meter that means that Raids will be way to easy ? Otherwise without logs how can you make a hardcore pve guild ? More importantly how can you recruit players when you can’t judge anyone’s performance ?

You will just have to do it the good old fashed way. trial and error

Karasuno

How about a DPS Meter for your own character?

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