How many MMO fanatics, like myself are disgusted at this 'alpha' drive?!

Sorry, as a LONG time MMO player (since AC1 in 98?!), I've played more than 40 MMO's through the years. I've been following this because of Steve alone. He's essentially me, I feel. We have a common game history and outlook on what we want in an MMO. But this Arena crap is horrid. The Idea that I have to struggle through this to validate my belief in the REAL game is just a horrible idea that's going to turn SO many players like myself. If this is what I have to do to get 'rewards'. No thank you. I'm now honestly on the fence about this game. A game I've been preaching to my friends about. C'mon guys, You cant make us go through this horrid experience to show our support.

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Ferryman

I like dogs.

Damokles

ferryman wrote: »

I like dogs.

I like trains.

(If you dont know where it comes from: search for asdf i like trains on youtube)

BlackBrony

The higher the amount of variables, the harder to know what is failing. APOC is a way a encapsulate everything in a control system where identifying issues it's easier.

If you have a map with quest, path, monster, caravans system it becomes harder to know what is actually failing. These things might not be modular, meaning you can't just deploy 1 and test it, because they're interconnected.

APOC was their way to test the combat. I don't like BR games that much, at least not to play them alone, but so far has been giving great results:

- identifying their server infrastructure was bleh
- patching. They can know patch while you play
- grouping, having squads, getting reward, no friendly fire, rezzing friend
- hit box, projectiles, los, no shooting through walls
- flying, movement in Z axys
- launcher IS
- Steam launcher and making the game work there
- steam integration
- testing the store for buying gems

And lots more I can't identify. If you don't think this is a successful test

Noaani

Nagash wrote: »

I am the only one who has lost track of whats going on in this thread?

I've completely lost track too.

My current assumption based on this thread is that Ashes is now going to have trains. I just hope they are player made trains.

Someone should ask Steven for clarification as to whether trains in Ashes will be player made or not, and if we can lay our own track where ever we want it or is it tied to the node system?

Can I charge people a fare to ride my train? Can I have an artillery wagon on it? Speaking of wagons, how many of them can I put on my train? Do different wagons have different purposes? Can I have a bar carrage and sell other players drinks? Can I decorate my train? Do I nead coal to run my train or can I use electricity? If I use electricity to run my train, do I need to lay overhead power cables for my train? Can someone try and hijack my train? What happens of two trains crash? Will the game have a system of signals to help prevent trains crashing?

Honestly, this thread has bought up more questions than it's answered...

Ferryman

noaani wrote: »

Honestly, this thread has bought up more questions than it's answered...

You kind of have a point there. I guess one of the problems is that the Apoc is a really wide topic and you can discuss about that on so many levels. You can be against or behalf Apoc for so many different reasons, why it is hard to create a consistent discussion around it.

Varkun

I know people are upset about apoc but the new map they have put together out of parts of the alpha 1 map is really quite gorgeous the forested area and the snow. Really will be a stunning world to adventure in once we get the MMO.

Nagash

Varkun wrote: »

I know people are upset about apoc but the new map they have put together out of parts of the alpha 1 map is really quite gorgeous the forested area and the snow. Really will be a stunning world to adventure in once we get the MMO.

I just dont get if its an Elf map why are there so many races there

Ferryman

In the latest newsletter, did people notice how many times there is mentioned MMORPG when speaking of Apoc? It would be enough to do that once or twice, but damn, now IS is trying way too hard to justify Apoc related news. *facepalm*

@Varkun Now devs start with Alpha 1 mention, but unfortunately they are not giving anything solid. I guess the alpha 1 is not that close, because the focus is next in castle siege for Apoc. I was wondering what is the latest plan for start of AoC A1 or is there any plans atm? Q is accurate enough..

Ferryman

But I have to say that the environment in that video looks a really nice and that art style still appeals for me greatly. Only those characters' eys looks a lil bit hypnotic and there is too much sparkling in those effects for my taste. However, those effects are planned to be tuned down for MMORPG version if I remember right so it does not bother me at all. Overall, looks very promising.

Varkun

ferryman wrote: »

In the latest newsletter, did people notice how many times there is mentioned MMORPG when speaking of Apoc? It would be enough to do that once or twice, but damn, now IS is trying way too hard to justify Apoc related news. *facepalm*

@Varkun Now devs start with Alpha 1 mention, but unfortunately they are not giving anything solid. I guess the alpha 1 is not that close, because the focus is next in castle siege for Apoc. I was wondering what is the latest plan for start of AoC A1 or is there any plans atm? Q is accurate enough..

I would love an estimated quarter for alpha 1 but just do not think Intrepid will give out even that sort of time frame anymore. Sooner rather than later would be good but think it will be later unfortunately.

sidartha

In general I don't have an issue with the existence of Apoc *in theory*. It seems like a good, interesting way to test PvP. However, I bought into this project because of it's MMO potential and it seems like all I ever hear about is the development progress of Apoc with very little on the actual MMO. There is so much more to an MMO than the combat.

Everything seems ass backwards. Instead of Apoc existing as a little side project of the MMO the MMO feels like a side project of some weird fantasy BR game. Maybe that's an unfair interpretation but that's the one I been getting and it has made me lose interest in this MMO almost entirely. And this is coming from a BR player who has over 2k hours in PUBG since it was available in EA.

Add in all the cash shoppy MT nonsense and it's a huge turn off for me personally. Honestly, at this point I regret spending money supporting this project. Maybe that regret will be unfounded later but I'm not holding my breath.

LadyZel

I heard about AoC a while ago and decided to keep an intrigued eye on it. I decided to check up on how things are developing only to find the focus seems to be on Apocalypse. I'm in a sceptical place because I've seen game companies behave deceptively in the past. Now, I'm not saying Intrepid is doing so, but as an avid MMO player I am disappointed they decided to go the BR route. No MMO in development I've followed in the past needed to use such a mode to test anything. Intrepid have chosen to do things a little differently, that's fine. But I've seen alpha/beta games offer very little in development, although they made sure they had a functioning cash shop...only for the game to crash and burn either before or soon after launch. The signs don't bode well. I don't care about what the defenders want to say. I've seen people defend the most abysmal games, even right up until the game flopped. It means nothing. Integrity from the developer is what matters.

I hope Intrepid prove me and other doubters wrong, but they're getting no money from me until I'm confident they are working on the MMO. You want me as a paying customer then show me what you originally advertised AoC to be.

TrePalle

LadyZel wrote: »

I heard about AoC a while ago and decided to keep an intrigued eye on it. I decided to check up on how things are developing only to find the focus seems to be on Apocalypse. I'm in a sceptical place because I've seen game companies behave deceptively in the past. Now, I'm not saying Intrepid is doing so, but as an avid MMO player I am disappointed they decided to go the BR route. No MMO in development I've followed in the past needed to use such a mode to test anything. Intrepid have chosen to do things a little differently, that's fine. But I've seen alpha/beta games offer very little in development, although they made sure they had a functioning cash shop...only for the game to crash and burn either before or soon after launch. The signs don't bode well. I don't care about what the defenders want to say. I've seen people defend the most abysmal games, even right up until the game flopped. It means nothing. Integrity from the developer is what matters.

I hope Intrepid prove me and other doubters wrong, but they're getting no money from me until I'm confident they are working on the MMO. You want me as a paying customer then show me what you originally advertised AoC to be.

That is good and I totally agree with your point of view, you should not spend a single penny on this game unless its what you are looking for. Having said that APOC is for free so you won't be giving them money but you will be helping them test the systems. What's more you get rewarded with a tons of free cosmetics that you can use in the MMO once it comes out. Its a win/win situation for an avid MMO player like you

Ferryman

Those who do not like the Apoc, what ever reason, it is a far from win-win situation.

TrePalle

ferryman wrote: »

Those who do not like the Apoc, what ever reason, it is a far from win-win situation.

It seems so and i can't understand why??

Its free, it gives you rewards, it helps the devs make a better game and it not like you are forced to play it if you do not want too.

Ferryman

TrePalle wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Those who do not like the Apoc, what ever reason, it is a far from win-win situation.

It seems so and i can't understand why??

Its free, it gives you rewards, it helps the devs make a better game and it not like you are forced to play it if you do not want too.

Yeah it really seams you do not understand.. In this thread people have pointed several reasons for that. Here is few points to think of:

- Some people do not care about cosmetics.
- Why to play something you do not like?
- Some people do not want to support this kind of behaviour from developers side.
- Some people have lost their faith for IS.
- Some people have lost their hope getting the MMORPG.
- Why collect cosmetics for a game, which future feels unsure.
- Some people do not like BR concept.
- Some people feels misleaded.
- Some people are angry.
- Some people backed for MMO and they got BR.
- Not everyone believe everything what they have told.

...or what ever reason. It is important to understand people at both sides of Apoc conversation. Some people are totally fine with Apoc and still faithful with the MMO -project and in other extreme are those who hate Apoc and IS because what they have done, and then we have people everywhere between these two extremes. At the end it does not matter who is right, it is all about how people feel.

TrePalle

ferryman wrote: »

TrePalle wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Those who do not like the Apoc, what ever reason, it is a far from win-win situation.

It seems so and i can't understand why??

Its free, it gives you rewards, it helps the devs make a better game and it not like you are forced to play it if you do not want too.

Yeah it really seams you do not understand.. In this thread people have pointed several reasons for that. Here is few points to think of:

- Some people do not care about cosmetics.
- Why to play something you do not like?
- Some people do not want to support this kind of behaviour from developers side.
- Some people have lost their faith for IS.
- Some people have lost their hope getting the MMORPG.
- Why collect cosmetics for a game, which future feels unsure.
- Some people do not like BR concept.
- Some people feels misleaded.
- Some people are angry.
- Some people backed for MMO and they got BR.
- Not everyone believe everything what they have told.

...or what ever reason. It is important to understand people at both sides of Apoc conversation. Some people are totally fine with Apoc and still faithful with the MMO -project and in other extreme are those who hate Apoc and IS because what they have done, and then we have people everywhere between these two extremes. At the end it does not matter who is right, it is all about how people feel.

Ok I will probably be banned after this post but what the hell. So let me get this straight. Some people are going to worry and complain about this game being a scam until;
a. the MMO is released (2 years or so) or;
b. it is announced that the MMO has been cancelled!!! (might be even longer than 2 years).

...and all this based on no concrete evidence but just a feeling. I am sorry to say that there is no gentle way to say it nor a way to sugar coat it. This is called paranoia.

You don't like BR or do not care about cosmetics or just hate the company in general and do not want to help in testing the game? Don't play it.
You are miss-trustful of IS? Don't buy their product until you are absolutely sure its what you want.
You already backed the product and you are worrying that it will not be released? I would say don't worry until you have confirmation but if you want to worry just know that worrying is as useful as bucket of sand in the desert in this case.

You are right that it doesn't matter who is right or wrong. In fact its not a question of right or wrong its a question of simplifying things and of sanity.

Atama

I agree that it is ridiculous to call the game a scam. It’s a bad one if it is. You don’t put this much MMO development experience into a team that’s supporting a scam.

That’s not the only concern (or even the main one) about APOC though. It’s not that they are doing a bait and switch, but that the BR may divert focus away from the MMO. Or that despite their best efforts they are failing to get the MMO to work. Neither of those require ill-intent on the part of IS.

Personally, I think the MMO will come out (it better, I paid a crap ton for it) but as I said before I worry about it being delayed.

Ferryman

@TrePalle Yeah you really do not seam to understand, and most likely you do not even want to, so why even bother to continue.. peace.

Nagash

The game does have problems but most can be fixed with more communication

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