How many MMO fanatics, like myself are disgusted at this 'alpha' drive?!

Sorry, as a LONG time MMO player (since AC1 in 98?!), I've played more than 40 MMO's through the years. I've been following this because of Steve alone. He's essentially me, I feel. We have a common game history and outlook on what we want in an MMO. But this Arena crap is horrid. The Idea that I have to struggle through this to validate my belief in the REAL game is just a horrible idea that's going to turn SO many players like myself. If this is what I have to do to get 'rewards'. No thank you. I'm now honestly on the fence about this game. A game I've been preaching to my friends about. C'mon guys, You cant make us go through this horrid experience to show our support.

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jaxsul

Annual login to make sure everyone's still arguing.
Yup, everyone's still arguing.
See you next Year! *waves*

Nagash

jaxsul wrote: »

Annual login to make sure everyone's still arguing.
Yup, everyone's still arguing.
See you next Year! *waves*

odd post as this thread has been dead for over two weeks

ShadowVen

*points* Look!!! A train! It's getting ready to leave! Everyone, HURRRRY!

Noaani

The problems here are not, imo, problens with the game

ShadowVen wrote: »

*points* Look!!! A train! It's getting ready to leave! Everyone, HURRRRY!

I still have so many questions about these new trains that we have just recently found out will be a thing in Ashes... no one seems to be able to answer even basic questions about them!

Damokles

noaani wrote: »

The problems here are not, imo, problens with the game

ShadowVen wrote: »

*points* Look!!! A train! It's getting ready to leave! Everyone, HURRRRY!

I still have so many questions about these new trains that we have just recently found out will be a thing in Ashes... no one seems to be able to answer even basic questions about them!

Wait asecond... TRAINS?!? DID I MISS SOMETHING?

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

The problems here are not, imo, problens with the game

ShadowVen wrote: »

*points* Look!!! A train! It's getting ready to leave! Everyone, HURRRRY!

I still have so many questions about these new trains that we have just recently found out will be a thing in Ashes... no one seems to be able to answer even basic questions about them!

Wait asecond... TRAINS?!? DID I MISS SOMETHING?

Are you kidding me, I missed the train

Azathoth

At this point I can see IS 'updating' APOC and calling it Alpha 1 and justifying leaving it on Steam as an 'Early Access' because they need more people to test than the number that bought into the Alpha 1 packages.

For me, this has been a slippery slope since they introduced Alpha 0 and made that a glorified raffle.

Nagash

Azathoth wrote: »

At this point I can see IS 'updating' APOC and calling it Alpha 1 and justifying leaving it on Steam as an 'Early Access' because they need more people to test than the number that bought into the Alpha 1 packages.

For me, this has been a slippery slope since they introduced Alpha 0 and made that a glorified raffle.

if they did that they would be named a scam and the game would die

Kotter

Damokles wrote: »

I dont care either way to be honest. I played Mmorpgs for half my life and I think that APOC is good for sorting out: combat animations, server issues, backend problems, frontend problems, skill balancing, weapon animations and of destructible environment etc

this.

Noaani

Nagash wrote: »

Azathoth wrote: »

At this point I can see IS 'updating' APOC and calling it Alpha 1 and justifying leaving it on Steam as an 'Early Access' because they need more people to test than the number that bought into the Alpha 1 packages.

For me, this has been a slippery slope since they introduced Alpha 0 and made that a glorified raffle.

if they did that they would be named a scam and the game would die

I have to agree. This is about the only thing they could do that would put me off the game for good.

To me, if Intrepid say that the BR is a key part of developing the game, then I'm still fine with that. Being fine with that doesn't mean that I want to play it, and it also doesn't mean that I don't have Green Monster Games with their release of Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning on my mind at times (not the same thing, but still a developer starting up wanting to make an MMO, putting out a non-MMO and not lasting long enough to get to that MMO).

Thing is, if you don't have faith in a developer of an MMO to do what is best for that game - even if you don't see all the reasons - then you're not going to enjoy playing that game at all.

Atama

noaani wrote: »

To me, if Intrepid say that the BR is a key part of developing the game, then I'm still fine with that. Being fine with that doesn't mean that I want to play it, and it also doesn't mean that I don't have Green Monster Games with their release of Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning on my mind at times (not the same thing, but still a developer starting up wanting to make an MMO, putting out a non-MMO and not lasting long enough to get to that MMO).

The difference is that Kingdoms of Amalur was an awesome game.

Those chakrams were one of the coolest weapons I’ve ever seen in a game.

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

To me, if Intrepid say that the BR is a key part of developing the game, then I'm still fine with that. Being fine with that doesn't mean that I want to play it, and it also doesn't mean that I don't have Green Monster Games with their release of Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning on my mind at times (not the same thing, but still a developer starting up wanting to make an MMO, putting out a non-MMO and not lasting long enough to get to that MMO).

The difference is that Kingdoms of Amalur was an awesome game.

Those chakrams were one of the coolest weapons I’ve ever seen in a game.

Yeah it was.

But it wasn't an MMORPG.

Dygz

They should be able to get all the testing they need even with low player numbers to introduce Castle Siege in Dec or Jan. It's definitely a problem if they can't.
But, it's already a significant problem that Steven can't approve Nodes 3 or even the Divine Nodes article yet.

Ferryman

It looks like Apocalypse will be released before we will see A1 of the MMORPG.

Atama

noaani wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

To me, if Intrepid say that the BR is a key part of developing the game, then I'm still fine with that. Being fine with that doesn't mean that I want to play it, and it also doesn't mean that I don't have Green Monster Games with their release of Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning on my mind at times (not the same thing, but still a developer starting up wanting to make an MMO, putting out a non-MMO and not lasting long enough to get to that MMO).

The difference is that Kingdoms of Amalur was an awesome game.

Those chakrams were one of the coolest weapons I’ve ever seen in a game.

Yeah it was.

But it wasn't an MMORPG.

My point was that APOC is also not an MMORPG but it sucks. If IS pulls a KoA and doesn’t release the MMO then they have nothing but a crappy product, at least KoA was good even if not an MMO.

nefelia

terrorform wrote: »

The system now does not give you but 2 mins to figure out the keys... after 10 mins of waiting, to be ported into a map, try to find a weapon, and get murdered by Battle Royal type players.

This is one complaint I can agree with.
Spellbreak has a mode for its alpha that allows you to just roam the map, pick up every item, and test out combos without worrying about getting reck and having to stew in frustration until the next match starts. If APOC does not have that feature yet, it should implement it. If it does have that feature, then someone let me know so I can get on that ASAP.

Ferryman

nefelia wrote: »

terrorform wrote: »

The system now does not give you but 2 mins to figure out the keys... after 10 mins of waiting, to be ported into a map, try to find a weapon, and get murdered by Battle Royal type players.

This is one complaint I can agree with.
Spellbreak has a mode for its alpha that allows you to just roam the map, pick up every item, and test out combos without worrying about getting reck and having to stew in frustration until the next match starts. If APOC does not have that feature yet, it should implement it. If it does have that feature, then someone let me know so I can get on that ASAP.

This is a really good point. If Apoc is mentioned to be purely a testing environment, why it does not offer people enough time to do proper testing and focus mainly to act like a BR game?

Ventharien

krojick wrote: »

I do think they have gone about this the wrong way if this is solely focused on testing the combat. I'm not entirely convinced it is though.

Why would you say that? I think if you consider the base selling points of AoC as a game, Nodes, Caravans, evolving world, to set combat testing in as large a medium as possible makes the most sense. I look at it as the BR testing random pvp encounters, and small scale fights like what you would see around a caravan, plus maybe some data on how towns and cities are fought in/ used terrian wise. CS will test node siege, obviously the castle ones, large party organization, and hopefully a larger player number conflict. And horde mode will let them test the random event changes that will happen in the world as a result of our actions, plus put the early ai through it's paces, looking for pathing and bugs. Personally i feel combat is the make or break of any mmo. If the story sucks, and the world is lackluster, but the combat is super fun, more people will forgive it than when the reverse is true. Preferably we don't have that problem, but combat and the systems attached to it have the strongest effect on player retention and enjoyment in every mmorpg i've ever played (be it pvp or pve)

Atama

Ventharien wrote: »

Personally i feel combat is the make or break of any mmo. If the story sucks, and the world is lackluster, but the combat is super fun, more people will forgive it than when the reverse is true.

While not an MMO, Anthem is an online game with fantastic combat gameplay. Yet it is almost universally panned because everything else stinks. It’s not enough on its own for any game to succeed.

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