The worst possible feature in this game is the corruption

I can tell now, the corruption feature is completely broken. Let say, and it is a common case, some player kills another who grief and ks the mobs. Now let see how that PK penalty will work. The player who is flagged have the choice to die, or to die multiple times. So in fact the player who griefs wins. I saw exactly the same feature in many games - L2 after GoD, L2 Classic, BDO and etc. In every game the result was death of OW PvP. Many players left cause they feel frustrated they cannot protect from griefers. And above all some players do intentional griefing. I call that feature the gank of the loser. And if this thing exists here, I will simply not play AOC, as I already played BDO - good looking, but terrible game.

If you want to reduce the ganking, this is not the way to do it. There are multiple different mechanisms, that will not be exploited so much.

One simple exploit - I want a boss, or mobs, or anything in the game for OW PvE. What I have to do is to let another player, or players to gank me, so to insult them, or to ks, or to grief. Then I will take what I want, as when they PK me, they lost the case.

One possible way to reduce the ganking is a similar karma system - so the PKer is flagged for 5-10 min, but he accumulates PKs. And he needs to clean them by doing things that brings him exp and ingame money, for free. So 1 - 3 PKs random - 1-3 hour grind. 4-6 PKs - random 2-6 hours grind. Also loss of fighting abilities/items if the character has/dies with 6PKs and more.

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ziltch

Ikcen wrote: »

And you do not see any difference? Obviously English is not your native language too.

Simple
Player Kill = Killing a player
Ganking = Killing a player in a dishonest way

All ganks are PKs, but not all PKs are ganks.
This is simple logic.

It's like how all houses have four walls, but not everything that has four walls is a house.
Grade school level logic oO

No need to try and insult me just because I pointed out that you are wrong.
However you are correct, English is only one of the 4 languages I speak oO

Ikcen wrote: »

Uh that is hard. OK. But fair, maybe some you feel the same way when they read what I wrote

When you are flagged red - so you have corruption, every kill of a player, no matter if he fights back, makes you get more corruption. So you do PK - then another player sees you are corrupted, and attacks you, both fight, you win, but your corruption score increases like if you have done another PK. Do you get what I mean now?

No it doesn't.
If you kill GREEN players while corrupted or not, you gain corruption.
If you kill PURPLE players while corrupted or not, you dont gain corruption.

So you are basing your arguments on lacking knowledge or misinformation, which means you haven't even bothered to read the comments people have given you so far, as this has been explained a few times already.

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ziltch

Ikcen wrote: »

PK - player kill without retaliation. That is how it is commonly used. If you win PvP it is called just a kill.

No, it's not. A quick google search of that makes it obvious that is not what PK stands for.

Ikcen wrote: »

Ganking - PK or unfair PvP like 20 vs 1.

Correct, that is "Ganking". 20 vs 1 is indeed ganking.
Good on you for getting it right.

Ikcen wrote: »

In the games where the open world is restricted the ganking could be very controversial, like here for example, and the most MMORPGs.

Again, it doesn't restrict the ganking at all.
It punishes for ganking sure (if you kill someone who doesn't fight back)
(Even if its 20v1 as long as that 1 fights back, you wont get corrupted, you only gain corruption from killing Greens)

Ikcen wrote: »

If you can win, but intentionally do not retaliate - you will be PKed, but this is not a gank. Often that happens when players abuse game systems like the current one.

Then that is a risk you take.
Because if you die as GREEN, you get higher death penalties than if you fought back.
Meaning higher XP Debt, more materials lost on death etc.
And that is also why the system will be tested and fine tuned.

Ikcen wrote: »

Griefing has double meaning. In the games like WoW it is used for player who gank or in general attack other players. But also it could mean if you killing steal, so take the mobs of another player, or interrupt a raid for boss and etc.

I explain that so to be clear what I'm talking about.

Kill Stealing is fine?
If it's that important for you, fight back and kill the thief?
Again, this MMO will not be "Safe"
This was a point that was carved into stone at it's earliest stage.
If you want a "Safe" MMO, this MMO is sadly not for you.
Nothing is safe.
You can be killed even in cities, your "storage" of materials can get looted in Nodes if its sieged, and looted in your Freehold (Home) if the Node your Home belongs to is successfully sieged.
NOTHING is safe. If you don't like that, this game is not for you *shrug*

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ziltch

Ikcen wrote: »

See if green hits red, he stays green - so another PK. Also you can notice there is not explanation what happens if purple hits red and die.

Simple, because there will be NO change to Purple player's Flagging Status, he will stay Purple upon attacking someone RED.

Green attacking Red means this:
You will not get flagged for combat by attacking someone who's Corrupt.

Ikcen wrote: »

As for the OW PvP it is a simple risk/reward issue. The current system does not give any rewards for PK, but the risk is highest possible in this game. So if you start a PvP, you have to be pretty sure that the opponent will hit back, or you will be seriously screwed. And that disbalance of risk and reward makes the current PK system highly abusable.

It gives good rewards for PK
Upon death you will drop raw materials you have on you.
So if you are carrying like 100 Herbs, you might drop 70 Herbs upon death by being killed as green
Or 50 Herbs if you are killed as Purple. (Arbitrary numbers meant for explanation purposes to how it works)

So it can also be used to "gauge" how much worth a player has on him if you attack him, attacks back, probably has something, he doesn't maybe he doesnt have much. Maybe he's trying to trick you into thinking he doesn't have much. Risk vs Reward.
Not fighting back gives harsher death penalties as well so is a Risk vs Reward for the other player too.

Ikcen wrote: »

It is obvious why this is made - to prevent the ganking, but actually it will prevent the entire OW PvP for small groups and 1vs 1.

It won't prevent the entire OW PvP from happening.
You simply dont carry valuables on you when you go out to hunt people for resources, you won't gain much corruption from killing someone at your level, however the lower the level of the person you attack comapred to your own, the corruption you gain will mulitply.
So is made to scare off people who gank lower levels yes, but not same level as yourself as there will barely be any corruption gain from killing someone of the same level.

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ziltch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player#Player_killing

To take short sections of it:

"Player killing, or PKing, is unrestricted PvP resulting in a character's death."

"Ganking (short for gang killing) is a type of PKing in which the killer has a significant advantage over his victim, such as being part of a group, being a higher level, or attacking the victim while they are at low health."

Sorry, but seem the world disagrees with your definition of "PK".
Learn to read before you call people names, at least you might come on as smarter than you do at the moment if so.

I don't make arguments based on opinion, I make my arguments based on facts.

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cyanideinsanity

Ikcen wrote: »

ziltch wrote: »

Simple, because there will be NO change to Purple player's Flagging Status, he will stay Purple upon attacking someone RED.

Now let try some logic. I'm the bad let say. So I'm red. You attack me with purple, but I beat you. Please do not explain how good you are, if you want you may be the bad guy.

So, I'm red, I PvP with purple, I win - how much corruption do I take? Also I'm red, I PvP with green, he attacks me, I win - how much corruption do I get?

Because in L2 after GoD every PvP won with red character is counted as PK, and there you get karma aka corruption here. And the things turn ugly very easy.

Did you even look at the chart?(the one you even linked...) It literally says corrupted --kills--> combatant --> no change. Reds killing purples adds exactly 0 corruption.

ziltch

Gonna be last one just cause didn't see this one before now.

Ikcen wrote: »

Now let try some logic. I'm the bad let say. So I'm red. You attack me with purple, but I beat you. Please do not explain how good you are, if you want you may be the bad guy.

No additional Corruption
(Since Purple)

Ikcen wrote: »

So, I'm red, I PvP with purple, I win - how much corruption do I take? Also I'm red, I PvP with green, he attacks me, I win - how much corruption do I get?

No additional Corruption
(He fought back, so although he will not flag purple because of you being Corrupt. You will not gain more Corruption from killing him either as it classifies as "In Combat")

Ikcen wrote: »

Because in L2 after GoD every PvP won with red character is counted as PK, and there you get karma aka corruption here. And the things turn ugly very easy.

Well it doesn't in Ashes.
Consider this, even you managed to think of this flaw to the system.
Do you think the developers and designers didn't think of this way before you did?

Anyhoo, htis is my last response.
I see no point in trying to explain something to someone who's locked their mind.^

Also, since you prob didnt see it.

ziltch wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player#Player_killing

To take short sections of it:

"Player killing, or PKing, is unrestricted PvP resulting in a character's death."

"Ganking (short for gang killing) is a type of PKing in which the killer has a significant advantage over his victim, such as being part of a group, being a higher level, or attacking the victim while they are at low health."

Sorry, but seem the world disagrees with your definition of "PK".
Learn to read before you call people names, at least you might come on as smarter than you do at the moment if so.

I don't make arguments based on opinion, I make my arguments based on facts.

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cyanideinsanity

Ikcen wrote: »

Now - no change does not mean he does not get more corruption, It means he stays red.

Yes, it does. Look at it thoroughly. Notice how a red killing a green says "CORRUPTION INCREASES" and a red killing a purple says "NO CHANGE". See the different outcome? If a red killing a purple gave corruption it would say "CORRUPTION INCREASES".

Nagash

I do love how everyone is telling ONE person about corruption and yet nothing comes from it

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