Generosity

John F. Holmes said that there is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up. Khalil Gibran said that generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need.

Sometimes it just feels gratifying to be generous, whether greatly or minutely, with kudos or anonymously... generous with our time and our own resources, when another player seems to need extra support in some way, or it’s a special occasion, and we’d like to give to them in some way.

What might be in place that can help to safely facilitate this gratifying experience for some of us in Ashes of Creation?

Since it’s Steven’s birthday, it seemed like a good time to bring this up.

Happy birthday, Steven! 🎂🎵🎉

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Nagash

Wait you can give things to people to make them happy? why would you ever want to do that.

Xhelori

@noaani When I said, “This seems like a bit of a Slippery-Slope appeal,” I am trying to say that you are implying that what I have proposed will lead to a slippery-slope situation. This is what it means in logical discourse for someone to make an appeal to a named fallacy, in this case the name of the fallacy is the Slippery Slope. Then you went on to confirm this several times over. I am not implying that Intrepid is heading down any slippery slope by not allowing giftable items in their shop. This is what I meant by suggesting some syntax went awry - something had gotten lost in translation - within our discourse.

I highly doubt most players are solely interested in the cosmetics, or that this is their endgame for Ashes of Creation. The core concept for this game is not primarily as a dress-up game; it is just one attractive facet.

I also suggested that the giftable items could be smaller effects, perhaps a floral bouquet, a wreath, or a music box that plays a holiday song, that they can be temporary (expire after a time) and the gifts may also change with the seasons. They can be things that exist in the shop under their own sub-tab solely for the purpose of gifting as one would a greeting card. They do need to make all of the cash shop items giftable.

I am going to confess, I will not quit the game if people send me small tokens like bouquets and wreaths. My sense of purpose in the game will not be fulfilled by this.

Xhelori

Nagash wrote: »

Wait you can give things to people to make them happy? why would you ever want to do that.

Yes! That is the sense I am getting, here. I came asking for whimsy on creative ways to be generous in Ashes of Creation, but have been mostly met with it being regarded as something with the greater potential to foster unfairness, similar to people abusing welfare and food stamps. It seems to be more interesting to debate about whether or not gifting a cosmetic would be exploited to lead to “P2W” situations than it is to offer ways they like to practice kindness and generosity ingame.

Alternatives are welcome but were not offered much, other than exchanging PayPal IDs to give someone money to get something on their own, which is similar to what I do to be lazy and uninvolved with other people’s birthdays, weddings and such (here’s a gift card, go find something yourself, because I CBA).

Instead of embracing the possibility of spreading joy, we’d rather avoid any sense of vulnerability and dress-rehearse tragedy.

It just might be a tad depressing. 😂😅

Nobody else has any fun or clever ideas for being generous, only Honey Bunches of No?

OK Scrooges, you win. It seemed like a nice idea, but not enough are interested. Thank you for your time.

Ventharien

@Xhelori Personally i love to be able to gift my friends packs or skins (mostly because they are horrible gift receivers and won't let me if they have any chance) And have done so in many games. But the problems that others have brought up when the practice enters MMO's isn't just some niche thing. It becomes a problem, and with Intrepid marketing Ashes so heavily as being a strike against RMT and Pay to Win/Convenience, to allow this would just be contrary to their mission statements.

That being said go make peoples day with In game gifts! With Ashes systems, us helping each other will benefit everyone!

BlackBrony

Gifting is out of the question. At least from the store, it creates pay to win mechanics, even if they're cosmetics, you're earning in game money through real life money.

On the other side, you can always provide buffs through consumables. These are really appreciated.
Also helping through quests and other stuff.

I don't want a system that rewards helping with in game mechanics because people will find a way to exploit it.

Caeryl

All cash shop gifting ever turns into is developer-supported gold buying. Every company that does it has simply moved the profits of unethical behavior from third party sites to their own pockets.

Ashes is going to ban those players, not try to appeal to them.

If you wanna be generous, hand out items at random, reduce taxes in your node, take some newbies on a dungeon run, give people gear, PayPal them money. There’s ways to be generous without completely turning the game into a sanctioned gold selling cesspool.

Atama

Xhelori wrote: »

Nobody else has any fun or clever ideas for being generous, only Honey Bunches of No?

OK Scrooges, you win. It seemed like a nice idea, but not enough are interested. Thank you for your time.

If it makes you feel better, cooperation and working for the benefit of your neighbors is built into the game. When you develop a node you are potentially improving things for everyone in the node’s ZOI. Rather than giving a gift to another player, you are helping multiple players just by adventuring.

Undead Canuck

Nobody here is saying we don't want to be generous and help people (maybe other than @Nagash

).
All we are saying is that Intrepid has already stated that you cannot gift cash shop items.
There are lots more ways to be generous without spending real world cash. Give out items, help out other people, lower taxes, have your guild all stand around and protect a newbie while they gather. Stand on a corner and give out 2 gold pieces to every other passerby. Gather flowers and give them out.
Lots of things to do in game!

Amist

I would argue that time is one of the most valuable resources human beings have, as it is limited in quantity and will not be able to be earned back.

Help a player out with leveling if you wanna be generous. Teach them the aspects of the game that are complicated and give them a foothold within the gaming world, become their friend.

Whilst it is a nice thought that you want to be able to gift your friends shop items, as others have stated it is likely not going to happen due to the gold selling nature of it all. With almost everything (aside from shop cosmetics) being tradeable, there is no stopping you from making items in-game through professions or buying them through auction houses and giving these to friends.

Timeraider

Nothing feels better than helping another player out with ingame support as it can feed both my need to feel superior to someone as my need to help others XD

Dante

Making cash bought cosmetics trade-able would 100% lead to P2W abuse. Forget what game it is, maybe BDO, but you can buy something like 5 cosmetics a day.. week.. I forget, and almost everyone sells them to others for money/items.

As far as being generous, I love hanging around newbie zones and randomly hiding behind a wall and watching a group go about their business, I see them get into trouble with a big pull I jump out and start throwing high level heals on them to save em.

I also like going to lower level zones and offering "quests" usually something silly or easy, but might take 5-10 mins, "collect me 10 bat wings" or something. Then Ill usually reward them with some starter gear or a decent weapon drop I got that I'd otherwise just vendor for gold.

You can be nice and generous to people without opening your wallet. If you want to gift specific friends you know money for stuff, there are tons of avenues outside the game to gift them some money.

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