What is the one lesson you wish the Devs of AoC would learn from the MMO you currently play?

Got another question for y'all: if there was one system/thing that the Devs of AoC would implement in the upcoming game or one lesson you wished that the Devs of Ashes would learn from the MMO you currently play or last played, what would it be?

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Hansrutger

RNG is not a system, it's not a feature, neither does it realistically exist. Do not put RNG layers on top of each other, ever. It was never fun and it will never be fun. People who played retail WoW will understand what I mean.

HazardNumberSeven

Do not cater to the masses.

Every game goes down the same path. It starts with a vision and a design. People come and want to change it, more people will come if you make it more accessible to more people. More people come, you are rewarded with more money. That means what I did is GOOD and SUCCESSFUL right? (no) .. You continue to broaden your audience, attracting even more people and more money. No one can claim you're failing because you keep getting richer and more popular, but there you go ... another WoW clone, another false-MMO dead.

Cold 0ne FTB

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

Do not cater to the masses.

Every game goes down the same path. It starts with a vision and a design. People come and want to change it, more people will come if you make it more accessible to more people. More people come, you are rewarded with more money. That means what I did is GOOD and SUCCESSFUL right? (no) .. You continue to broaden your audience, attracting even more people and more money. No one can claim you're failing because you keep getting richer and more popular, but there you go ... another WoW clone, another false-MMO dead.

That's a huge one.

Cold 0ne FTB

Hansrutger wrote: »

RNG is not a system, it's not a feature, neither does it realistically exist. Do not put RNG layers on top of each other, ever. It was never fun and it will never be fun. People who played retail WoW will understand what I mean.

That's a good point too.

Jean Pageete

If game wants long term success, most certainly movement and combat is the path to success

phdmonster

Those imply that they've already made the mistakes you mention and they haven't learned from them.

George_Black

Steven has played my fav mmo, L2.
I see a lot of similarities and Im extremelly happy about the way he thinks of mmos (open world, risk/reward, no end game mentality but a player driven story).

Only the classes worry me. My advise is 15 solid classes
Warrior
Rogue
Ranger
Holy tank
Dark tank
Necro
Basic mage
Battlemage
Dot Mage
Summoner (elements and mythical animals)
Bard
Bladedancer
Healer
Beastmaster
Barbarian

each class should have abilities that are based on 3 weapons, as well as theme abilities and finally function abilities (tank, heal, dps, buffer).

Then again, Ill play fighter/fighter or the meta fighter combo and Ill be ok.

phdmonster

George Black wrote: »

Steven has played my fav mmo, L2.
I see a lot of similarities and Im extremelly happy about the way he thinks of mmos (open world, risk/reward, no end game mentality but a player driven story).

Only the classes worry me. My advise is 15 solid classes
Warrior
Rogue
Ranger
Holy tank
Dark tank
Necro
Basic mage
Battlemage
Dot Mage
Summoner (elements and mythical animals)
Bard
Bladedancer
Healer
Beastmaster
Barbarian

each class should have abilities that are based on 3 weapons, as well as theme abilities and finally function abilities (tank, heal, dps, buffer).

Then again, Ill play fighter/fighter or the meta fighter combo and Ill be ok.

So, you basically want them to butcher the entire idea of classes not being equipment bound and shoot themselves in the balls.
You currently have 8 classes with 8 flavors each and who knows how many styles within these flavors. You want to butcher that too.

George_Black

phdmonster wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Steven has played my fav mmo, L2.
I see a lot of similarities and Im extremelly happy about the way he thinks of mmos (open world, risk/reward, no end game mentality but a player driven story).

Only the classes worry me. My advise is 15 solid classes
Warrior
Rogue
Ranger
Holy tank
Dark tank
Necro
Basic mage
Battlemage
Dot Mage
Summoner (elements and mythical animals)
Bard
Bladedancer
Healer
Beastmaster
Barbarian

each class should have abilities that are based on 3 weapons, as well as theme abilities and finally function abilities (tank, heal, dps, buffer).

Then again, Ill play fighter/fighter or the meta fighter combo and Ill be ok.

So, you basically want them to butcher the entire idea of classes not being equipment bound and shoot themselves in the balls.
You currently have 8 classes with 8 flavors each and who knows how many styles within these flavors. You want to butcher that too.

Start over

George_Black

It doesnt matter what anyone wants. So check your tone

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HazardNumberSeven

Tsukasa wrote: »

Don't let people run around in the city with their underwear.
If they can, they will, and it is disgusting. Pathetic attention seekers.

O_o

phdmonster

George Black wrote: »

It doesnt matter what anyone wants. So check your tone

My tone is fine. Not being able to take criticism on your ideas however... yikes.

George_Black

phdmonster wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

It doesnt matter what anyone wants. So check your tone

My tone is fine. Not being able to take criticism on your ideas however... yikes.

Fanboysm doesnt contribute anything. So yeah. You annoy me with your generic "butcher" post. I rly dont want to be critisized by people with no real possition on subjects. Empty noise

George_Black

The topic is about what lessons should be learned from other mmos.
The lesson is that "play as you want" ends up being the total opposite, with meta being the tyrrant

Better have real variety than artificial. Now go away.

phdmonster

George Black wrote: »

phdmonster wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

It doesnt matter what anyone wants. So check your tone

My tone is fine. Not being able to take criticism on your ideas however... yikes.

Fanboysm doesnt contribute anything. So yeah. You annoy me with your generic "butcher" post. I rly dont want to be critisized by people with no real possition on subjects. Empty noise

So, you wanting to completely change the class and itemization systems of the game is me fanboying for the game. Oh god.

George_Black

And finally, since you seem to post without being too good in understanding other peoples possition (even though I clearly wrote it at the end of my first post)

I have no vested interest to butcher anything. Fighter/fighter is fighter/fighter. I worry about how meaningful the other combos will be.

Cold 0ne FTB

George Black wrote: »

The topic is about what lessons should be learned from other mmos.
The lesson is that "play as you want" ends up being the total opposite, with meta being the tyrrant

Better have real variety than artificial. Now go away.

ESO has that policy and a lot of players follow it. It leads to a lot of really bad players, and builds but a significant portion of the population does do it. The only times people don't allow it is when a group is trying to play competitively.

Lafi

Hansrutger wrote: »

RNG is not a system, it's not a feature, neither does it realistically exist. Do not put RNG layers on top of each other, ever. It was never fun and it will never be fun. People who played retail WoW will understand what I mean.

RNG is realistically just 'luck' that exists!!! My mom had good rng when she had me after all!
But seriously rng is everywhere in games, mob spawns, loot tables and all of that are all rng, so sorta needs to be there.
Also there is an enchantment system. Rng there.

Lafi

I pray that they don't listen to
1) casual players with little exposure
2) forum crying
3) streamer bias
In terms of balance or game direction.
I dont want to see balance changes that, at the level of a relevant player, is so unwarranted, simply to keep people quiet.
RIP GW2.

I realise that sounds super elitist.
Im not going to be good at this game. At all. But i still hope they communicate with players that have a deep understanding of the game rather than the casual, here for some light fun after work, sort of player.

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