Multiboxing is P2W.

I love how the goal is to not have any P2W in AOC. However, paying for another subscription and using 2 accounts at the same time is paying real money to gain an advantage in the game. That is very much P2W.

I'm curious, is there any positive side to allowing multiboxing? There are clear cons, it gives an advantage over those who don't do it. Botting with it can ruin entire server economy, it takes away world resources and hoards them to one player, and it is borderline cheating in a PVP scenario. So there are clear good sides to not allowing it to fix those cons and issues. But what is the positive of allowing it? If multiboxing did not give any kind of an advantage, nobody would ever do it.

Allowing multiboxing should be reconsidered heavily. It is P2W.

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Wandering Mist

Steven addressed this just now on his AMA stream. He can see both sides of the argument but the main take-a-way is that the effort it would take to try to stop multiboxing would be far more detrimental than just letting it happen. After all, how do you stop multiboxing on a large scale in a way that doesn't harm households with multiple people that each have their own account?

Talents

Again, they're not allowing multiboxing where for example if you press W on your keyboard, all 20 of your characters move forward. If you want to multibox, you'll need to manually control each and every character independently. That, in my opinion, is perfectly fine.

FFoDSwordArchon

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Steven addressed this just now on his AMA stream. He can see both sides of the argument but the main take-a-way is that the effort it would take to try to stop multiboxing would be far more detrimental than just letting it happen. After all, how do you stop multiboxing on a large scale in a way that doesn't harm households with multiple people that each have their own account?

Unless the houses have a huge kitchen! J/K. I am sure each house/apartment/freehold is furnished to the brim with state of the art star-forged ovens/kitchens/equipment. But that is beside the point. What was the point? Oh yes! Multiboxing! The way I see it is: If you buy the game twice on two accounts, thats /twice/ the money going into IS's bank accounts'!

Dabbzy

Talents wrote: »

Again, they're not allowing multiboxing where for example if you press W on your keyboard, all 20 of your characters move forward. If you want to multibox, you'll need to manually control each and every character independently. That, in my opinion, is perfectly fine.

Did he say this in the interview?

FFoDSwordArchon

If i am not mistaken the issue with multiboxing is aimed at particular individual six or more PI accounts (won't mention any names).

Undead Canuck

So what happens when me and my partner want to play together? We are not allowed? If I cannot play at the same time as someone else in my house, why would I bother with this game? What do I say when I have a LAN party and we all are in the same guild?
Oh sorry, you can't play because the whiners think it is bad.

Talents

Dabbzy wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

Again, they're not allowing multiboxing where for example if you press W on your keyboard, all 20 of your characters move forward. If you want to multibox, you'll need to manually control each and every character independently. That, in my opinion, is perfectly fine.

Did he say this in the interview?

Nagash

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So what happens when me and my partner want to play together? We are not allowed? If I cannot play at the same time as someone else in my house, why would I bother with this game? What do I say when I have a LAN party and we all are in the same guild?
Oh sorry, you can't play because the whiners think it is bad.

same with me, both my and the wife are going to play and stoping multiboxing would hamper that

Dabbzy

Talents wrote: »

Dabbzy wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

Again, they're not allowing multiboxing where for example if you press W on your keyboard, all 20 of your characters move forward. If you want to multibox, you'll need to manually control each and every character independently. That, in my opinion, is perfectly fine.

Did he say this in the interview?

Perfect.

Noaani

People really do need to realize there is a difference between multiboxing and botting.

tugowar

Fae

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So what happens when me and my partner want to play together? We are not allowed? If I cannot play at the same time as someone else in my house, why would I bother with this game? What do I say when I have a LAN party and we all are in the same guild?
Oh sorry, you can't play because the whiners think it is bad.

Then you simply play my dude...

You do realize that you and your partner wanting to play from the same place is NOT multiboxing? Multiboxing is running multiple instances of the game on the same machine. Nobody is saying that only one account per IP address should be allowed connection at once. That is stupid and comes with clear issues of multiple people per 1 address, and can also be bypassed fairly easily.

However, there are other ways of recognizing multiboxers from multiple people. For example, not allowing a PC with multiple instances of the game running to play.

There is no magix fic to stop ALL multiboxing. That is not the goal, the goal would be to make legitimate multiboxing as big of an annoyance, effort, and hassle as possible. It's about the barrier of entry into it. Same as any anti-cheat in existence. None of them block literally every cheat. They just make it much harder.

Songcaller

I wish I could copy and paste my other post on this matter. I think multiboxing is game breaking- seen a multi boxer wipe a whole raid in WoW. Luckily the corruption system is in place but a multi boxer can grind corruption off real quick. On my phone. Sorry for no paragraphs.

Caeryl

noaani wrote: »

People really do need to realize there is a difference between multiboxing and botting.

There’s a difference between them but bot trains are impossible without multiboxing.

As long as GMs are present to deal with reports on automated trains and take appropriate action by banning them, then hopefully the problem with bots won’t end up too game breaking.

Undead Canuck

I have multiboxed in the past. I have 2 computers, and I had 2 keyboards and 2 mice. I did everything manually (including moving). I did it badly, but I did it. Was it worth it? Not really. I just wanted to see what the hoorah was about.

Now, the people who use scripts are botting, which should be banned. But IP blocking is not going to work.

But a lot of people say that multiboxing is P2W, and I can verify that it is not really worth the effort.

Songcaller

Technically they will ban you for third party software, script software is still third party software. You need third party software to multibox with simultaneous key presses. In ToS WoW also bans for third party software but often does not ban.

Lincoln Hawk

Neurath wrote: »

I wish I could copy and paste my other post on this matter. I think multiboxing is game breaking- seen a multi boxer wipe a whole raid in WoW. Luckily the corruption system is in place but a multi boxer can grind corruption off real quick. On my phone. Sorry for no paragraphs.

Ive seen this happen but only in one instance most of the time a multiboxer was a free kill lol.

Songcaller

It depends on the skill of the particular player and what classes they use. If the use the feign death and res and AoE burst (ambush) they can wipe a raid. If they just use masses AoE, a healer and a tank they are easy to kill. Problem in ashes is the corruption system.

Fae

Undead Canuck wrote: »

I have multiboxed in the past. I have 2 computers, and I had 2 keyboards and 2 mice. I did everything manually (including moving). I did it badly, but I did it. Was it worth it? Not really. I just wanted to see what the hoorah was about.

Now, the people who use scripts are botting, which should be banned. But IP blocking is not going to work.

But a lot of people say that multiboxing is P2W, and I can verify that it is not really worth the effort.

Mate, if multiboxing gave no advantage at all, we would never see it done. It is no secret that many MMO's are plagued by multiboxing. They do it because it gives a very clear advantage over other players. No way around it.

Wandering Mist

Fae wrote: »

Undead Canuck wrote: »

I have multiboxed in the past. I have 2 computers, and I had 2 keyboards and 2 mice. I did everything manually (including moving). I did it badly, but I did it. Was it worth it? Not really. I just wanted to see what the hoorah was about.

Now, the people who use scripts are botting, which should be banned. But IP blocking is not going to work.

But a lot of people say that multiboxing is P2W, and I can verify that it is not really worth the effort.

Mate, if multiboxing gave no advantage at all, we would never see it done. It is no secret that many MMO's are plagued by multiboxing. They do it because it gives a very clear advantage over other players. No way around it.

See, I hear a lot of people say things like this and yet I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a multiboxer in an mmorpg. Maybe I'm just ignorant but I feel like this is less of a problem than people make it out to be.

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