nibiru97 wrote: » I'm specifically referring to what Steven said about 3rd party programs and multi boxing.
noaani wrote: » nibiru97 wrote: » I'm specifically referring to what Steven said about 3rd party programs and multi boxing. I don't think you got my point. Virtualization programs (including isboxer, which is the worst I've seen) interact with operating systems, not applications. Intrepid can not have any say in anything other than what applications interact with their software.
nibiru97 wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » You dont even need a virtual environment to run multiple instances. isboxer is software that allows multiple instances in one environment. I would assume that isboxer would fall under 3rd party software, which is not allowed.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » You dont even need a virtual environment to run multiple instances. isboxer is software that allows multiple instances in one environment.
nibiru97 wrote: » Let me start off saying I don't multi box. However, I don't even see why its a big deal. If scripting is not allowed you can literally only control one account at a time. The economy will not be affected to any noticeable degree because of some multi boxers. Some players may be able to lvl faster having a pocket healer compared to other solo players. But in an mmo that doesn't really matter much. People multi boxing in a pvp situation are at a disadvantage. As far as game currency goes, I've always found ways to be one of the richest players on my server in all mmo's I play and I only ever use one account.
Roymachine wrote: » noaani wrote: » nibiru97 wrote: » I'm specifically referring to what Steven said about 3rd party programs and multi boxing. I don't think you got my point. Virtualization programs (including isboxer, which is the worst I've seen) interact with operating systems, not applications. Intrepid can not have any say in anything other than what applications interact with their software. I'm fairly certain that in their game they can make the rules and do whatever they want with it.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » nibiru97 wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » You dont even need a virtual environment to run multiple instances. isboxer is software that allows multiple instances in one environment. I would assume that isboxer would fall under 3rd party software, which is not allowed. Yea after learning that im trying to figure out how virtual environments fall under this now. That made me less worried about the p2w aspect by a lot.
noaani wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » nibiru97 wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » You dont even need a virtual environment to run multiple instances. isboxer is software that allows multiple instances in one environment. I would assume that isboxer would fall under 3rd party software, which is not allowed. Yea after learning that im trying to figure out how virtual environments fall under this now. That made me less worried about the p2w aspect by a lot. The portion of isboxer that interfaces with WoW would be considered against the EULA in most other games - that is why WoW is the only game it does this with. Virtual environments have no interaction with the game client.
Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing.
Wandering Mist wrote: » Right, this is literally the third thread made in the last 2 hours regarding this topic, and so far nobody has offered a solution. Give us a solution or stop making threads over and over and over please.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money.
Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold.
DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy.
Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise.
DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse.
Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse. and they pay 15 subscriptions, and keep the game well funded. Seriously. You think the company grows the money on trees? big chunk of income is from multiple subs. People need to learn to stop bitching about it.
Tsukasa wrote: » StevenSharif wrote: » Based on today’s feedback I have directed the community team to post the next dev discussion on the subject of multi boxing. Thanks. The best part about MMOs is seeing people investing everything they have into their main character. Alts ruin this aspect. Whether it's for convenience or competitiveness. They just ruin it... You used the same mentality/excuse with same-account Alts which allows players to be self-sufficient with all three artisan classes in one account. You might want to change this as well. It WILL be the META that also ruins the social aspect of the game and make people selfish.
StevenSharif wrote: » Based on today’s feedback I have directed the community team to post the next dev discussion on the subject of multi boxing.
