PvP Servers with lighter corruption system

Hello guys, I've been silently following ashes of creation so far and I've been very concerned about this corruption system.
Most of the Pvpve MMOs that released so far had problems with pvp and pve communities being incompatible, one wanting more freedom for pvp, while the other couldn't stand being killed even once (mostly because they lack fighting experience and don't know how to retaliate).

The best compromise (imo), is to have a part of the servers with a lighter corruption system, with a [PvP] Tag in their name.
Those servers will serve three purposes:
1/ They will have a higher concentration of people who actually want to pvp/be competitive in pvp, making it more enjoyable for pvp players to fight against people who actually knows how to put up a fight and won't be scared to fight back.
2/ It will allow intrepid to give a bit more freedom to pvp on those servers (not too much to avoid turning the server into a FFA brawl)
3/ It will reduce the amount of pvp players/tryhards on the other servers, giving the opportunity for more pve oriented players to fight people with few/less pvp experience just like them when they have to in every type of activity involving pvp (=less frustration for them)

So, now that i've explained the reasons, let's move on to what would be that "lighter" corruption system.
1/ Non combatant players get flagged as combatants if they attack a corrupted player.
2/ Corrupted players wouldn't get stat dampening due to corruption, and they wouldn't have any chance to drop a part of their gear upon death (they would still get the xp penalties, as well as the higher amount of dropped materials).
3/ A Second state of corruption would be added (let's call it heavy corruption) that would essentially be the same as the current corruption status (gear drop, stat dampening and so on). That status would trigger after you killed a certain amount of people while being already corrupted.
So, let's say you need 400 corruption points to get the heavy corruption status, Killing a non combatant of your level or higher level than you gives 100 points, killing a non combatant of lower level than you but more than half of your level gives 200 points, killing a non combatant whose level is less than half of your level gives 300 points. Dying removes 100 points. And farming XP allows you to scrap off corruption points slowly.
4/ PK counts that influences the corruption you get on future kills starts counting only when you are heavily corrupted.

The Idea behind this is that it wouldn't bring too harsh penalties for killing one or two people that you don't like or that pissed you off or any other reason, but not rewarding either so that people don't start killing non combatants for no reason, While maintaining a healthy amount of limitations so that people cannot go on a rampage either.

If you have any ideas to improve this, or if you see a flaw in my system, please post it so we can discuss this together.

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TSG

Khana wrote: »

What I want is being able to kill someone who pissed me off on the fly once in a while without risking losing my gear even if the said guy decides to not retaliate to give me corruption.
And being able to fight back if non corrupted players decide to attack me while I'm trying to get rid of my corruption.

Open world PVP has consequences, it is simple as that. There will be PLENTY of opportunities for people to get revenge in the form of the node & castle sieges, as well as guild wars. I think you are way too focused on open world PVP. I do not agree there needs to be specific servers just to cater to 1 small type of PVP.

daxiongmao87

As mentioned before, the corruption system is less of a gameplay mechanic and more of an anti-griefing mechanic. It's not designed as a "place for bad guys," but it's designed to protect from ganking lowbies and noncombatants.

You are free to pvp against combatants. You should only want to reduce or diminish the corruption system if you want to kill lowbies and non-pvpers, which Intrepid is against.

GodsThesis

Wouldn't it just be much simpler to make an alt of the same class, equip it with relatively decent gear (not your main's), and be permanently corrupt to fight players? Sure it'll take like another month+ of grinding an alt but at least it far less intrusive than messing with the entire corruption system of which hasn't been fully revealed or tested.

it's still fine to theorize how the current system can be worked out, but there isn't enough information for such conclusive answers or drastic changes.

Bardtic

I think the entire issue here is that you are looking at this game as PvE or PvP. It is intended to be a PvX. A full mix. The entire games economy, progression system, and content is based on a balance of all aspects of an MMO(PvP, PvE and Crafting). You can't have a server that is focused on one of the three without inbalancing the others and ruining the game.

Khana

We all know the kind of players that would get PKed the most are the "all talk no balls" type. Allowing to get one or two kills before dropping gear is not gonna affect anyone unless you're pissing of someone.
I dont think people would gain any pleasure from killing a guy randomly walking next to them, considering they will lose 4x more than what they will gain.

GodsThesis

Khana wrote: »

We all know the kind of players that would get PKed the most are the "all talk no balls" type. Allowing to get one or two kills before dropping gear is not gonna affect anyone unless you're pissing of someone.
I dont think people would gain any pleasure from killing a guy randomly walking next to them, considering they will lose 4x more than what they will gain.

Ya bet your sweet buns that ya boy gonna kill a random guy if I think I can get away with it. I gotta assert my dominance.

But again if you want PvP pleasure there are plenty of other systems that will be in the game for that with far better rewards that can revolve around more than yourself. The corruption system from what I understand of it, is not supposed to be a great time and more of a deterrent.

Also, in my experience, the people that get killed the most in PvP has nothing to do with their personality, just their PvP skill and knowledge, or the lack thereof.

Caeryl

There will not be separate PvP servers nor will there be separate PvE servers. Corruption is a penalty, it’s not something they want people to get. If you’re constantly getting corruption, you are playing in a way Intrepid doesn’t want you to and are probably ruining the experience for other players for not much reason.

Players should initiate PvP over valuable resources, things people want to fight back over. It’s only when you vastly out level someone, zerg someone down, or grief PvP on nothing of value that you will start getting corruption.

Khana

Again you're missing the point completely, who's talking about getting corruption constantly? The main concern here is that you shouldn't drop gear for killing just one player, and you should be able to defend yourself from non combatants that attack you once you are corrupted without worsening the corruption.

Noaani

Khana wrote: »

Again you're missing the point completely, who's talking about getting corruption constantly? The main concern here is that you shouldn't drop gear for killing just one player, and you should be able to defend yourself from non combatants that attack you once you are corrupted without worsening the corruption.

If you get corruption and a non-combatant attacks you, let them kill you.

That way, your corruption issue is gone. They are doing you a favor.

Caeryl

Khana wrote: »

Again you're missing the point completely, who's talking about getting corruption constantly? The main concern here is that you shouldn't drop gear for killing just one player, and you should be able to defend yourself from non combatants that attack you once you are corrupted without worsening the corruption.

You aren’t going to be dropping gear from one PK unless you are absurdly, unbelievably unlucky. I doubt if the odds for such a low corruption amount would even be 1% drop chance, and if someone claimed to have lost gear after “just one kill” I for one wouldn’t believe them.

schrumpelhut

Khana give up 99% in this forum are lifeskiller, i agree 100% with you the current system makes no sense at all. BECAUSE if you are corrupt you can basically quit the game. Lets say the system stays like it is planed atm bounty hunters will just come with non-combat. green friends and grief you down until you lose, you cant fight back you cant do shit. Easy way to fix this is make one single change: greens have to get purple if they attack corrupted players. Problem solved. Also they dont understand that open world pvp is fun for a lot of players, it hasnt to be a gankfest all the time, also there is a good reason for a open world pvp, because there are ton of non pvp griefer out there which make your gameplay experience hell aswell

BlackBrony

Are you telling me that you want to do what you want buy don' t face the consequences?

That's all I'm reading: "I wanna kill without having to worry about losing gear". Basically means "I want to screw other players time without having it no repercussion whatsoever when he comes back and kills me"

Pravchenski

Pravchenski understands need for PvP revenge it happens all the time, maybe someone in my tavern does not pay drink, I take their money from their corpse, but there are many ways to gain revenge on someone or even kill someone without getting corruption as it has been stated, if you want you could argue for a balance be struck between the corruption and noncorrupt system then argue that, otherwise just deal with it as it comes and goes in whatever way you can is all pravchenski has to say on this subject, if I would suggest anything, perhaps introduce more ways to reduce corruption if it has not already been done yet so that if you really worry about corruption you may get out of a snag real quick, although it would also degrade the worth of the corruption system if made too easy to remove corruption, strike a balance and enjoy the game, Pravchenski has spoken, if you wish to talk about these things when day one begins, come on by Pravchenski's when we open as you can talk to me about your concerns over a round of drinks, and bearded women of course

-Pravchenski, still drunk in a desert

Marcet

PvX is good, is someone doesnt like it, dont play this awesome game.

Pravchenski

@Marcet you think clever and you give me ideas, you get free drink when Pravchenski's tavern opens, or free bearded women, your choice, honestly I just wish for this game to be a good release compared to other mmorpg's that are lackluster to say the least, im sure the kinks will be ironed out.

-Pravchenski, in a desert speaking to himself

Khana

noaani wrote: »

If you get corruption and a non-combatant attacks you, let them kill you.

That way, your corruption issue is gone. They are doing you a favor.

Hmm Yes but that's 0 fun. I'd rather have bounty hunters chase me around against which i can fight to the death.

schrumpelhut

BlackBrony wrote: »

Are you telling me that you want to do what you want buy don' t face the consequences?

That's all I'm reading: "I wanna kill without having to worry about losing gear". Basically means "I want to screw other players time without having it no repercussion whatsoever when he comes back and kills me"

dont you understand that you CANT FIGHT BACK as soon as you get corrupted, why even having open world pvp if there is no point in doing it at all. Green players can grief corrupted players, it makes no sense. There should be risk for corrupted players, but having not even a chance of getting out of it without getting rekt makes simply no sense. They can freely kill you and you can just stand there and watch as corrupted player. If you call that " consequences " then sry but its just 0 iq

Atama

Khana wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

If you get corruption and a non-combatant attacks you, let them kill you.

That way, your corruption issue is gone. They are doing you a favor.

Hmm Yes but that's 0 fun. I'd rather have bounty hunters chase me around against which i can fight to the death.

Don’t let them catch you and you’ll never drop gear.

Khana

Atama wrote: »

Don’t let them catch you and you’ll never drop gear.

Corruption doesn't decrease over time, so you have to stop to farm mobs or die at some point.

Lafi

Something to remember is that corruption is meant to be a punishment. Its meant to be an issue. You dont want corruption. Its intentionally like that.
If you want to pvp without drawbacks you stick to killing combatants.
Punishment on those killing greens are fair and will be quite good to keep green boys safe. Sometimes. I know I'll kill green boys if i think they're hoarding a bunch of gathering mats. But that wont instantly turn me red unless I'm on a max main against a new character for example.

I like these talks thoughs

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