DPS Meter Megathread

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Noaani

Bolorny wrote: »

Done with the dps meters threads ! Next !

This is an odd thing to say when you are starting a new combat tracker thread.

The issue with all of this is that thing that you are saying we should do, that is exactly what I originally started arguing we should be able to do.

However, we can't.

This game will not have a .txt log file like that. If it did, there would have never been any threads on this matter.

The idea to put it in game was a compromise from that position, not the original goal.

Songcaller

We are never done with the DPS Meter Threads, because no matter how many times they are told 'No, not going to happen' they continue to whine like little children and throw temper tantrums and make threats.

Most people would just keep quiet and chip away, but no, the e-peen people must make the threats in some vain attempt to display misguided superiority. They couldn't learn to play without extra tools elsewhere and they want those extra tools in Ashes or 'Ashes won't be good'. What a bland and bothersome escapade we keep repeating.

Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

We are never done with the DPS Meter Threads, because no matter how many times they are told 'No, not going to happen' they continue to whine like little children and throw temper tantrums and make threats.

I'm sure that was directed at me, which is fine.

I just want to point out, I have never stareted a thread on this topic.

I am, however, a master of carrying on conversations.

Undead Canuck

Aaaaaand we are off!

Krojak

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So, you want a DPS meter. Just not an active one. You want to have all the information parsed out so that the elitists can say they did amazingly (or had a bad day, bad internet, not my fault) and the other person was suxorz.
Why not just ask for full DPS meters. The only difference with this is that you don't know until after the fight who you need to shame.

If you think this is about shaming people, you've misinterpreted the purpose of the OP. I also fear that you've been running with the wrong kinds of guilds/groups if this is your view on raiding.

Krojak

Samson wrote: »

darthus wrote: »

In all major current MMOs out there, addons are made by the community and improved the gameplay by a lot.

Specifically for the damage meters, it is a fundamental feature for competitive gameplay and keeps people focused, in most cases (including myself). Even during the battle you can altered your rotation to improve your dps, and is a good way to spot mistakes.

Also, dps meters are optional feature. If you don't like it, you don't use. But forcing others not to use it , by telling the studio to disable it, is an ill request.

Remember - Whatever works in the past, it is good to keep it that way for the future. History is a great teacher for many things

It's already been stated many..many times by Steven that there will be no add-ons or DPS meters in the game.

This is true. It's already an established fact that the devs won't support third party addons. I can also see the argument against the DPS meter as it pulls attention away from the game/fight/mechanics, which is why I'm proposing this compromise.

Undead Canuck

krojak wrote: »

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So, you want a DPS meter. Just not an active one. You want to have all the information parsed out so that the elitists can say they did amazingly (or had a bad day, bad internet, not my fault) and the other person was suxorz.
Why not just ask for full DPS meters. The only difference with this is that you don't know until after the fight who you need to shame.

If you think this is about shaming people, you've misinterpreted the purpose of the OP. I also fear that you've been running with the wrong kinds of guilds/groups if this is your view on raiding.

Nope, just been ruining my mind by reading all of the 'We need a DPS meter / parser / damage report threads. According to a lot of people, that is what happens. I have been very lucky to have found guilds where people are mostly very nice.

Krojak

Undead Canuck wrote: »

krojak wrote: »

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So, you want a DPS meter. Just not an active one. You want to have all the information parsed out so that the elitists can say they did amazingly (or had a bad day, bad internet, not my fault) and the other person was suxorz.
Why not just ask for full DPS meters. The only difference with this is that you don't know until after the fight who you need to shame.

If you think this is about shaming people, you've misinterpreted the purpose of the OP. I also fear that you've been running with the wrong kinds of guilds/groups if this is your view on raiding.

Nope, just been ruining my mind by reading all of the 'We need a DPS meter / parser / damage report threads. According to a lot of people, that is what happens. I have been very lucky to have found guilds where people are mostly very nice.

That's awesome, I'm glad you've had those positive experiences. My guilds have been pretty cool and chill too.

Plixen

We are waiting for a game that looks amazing, but every 3rd thread is about damage meters....
Really? Does every game have to be elitist minmaxing e-sport game?

Can we please discuss other things?

Noaani

Pl1x wrote: »

We are waiting for a game that looks amazing, but every 3rd thread is about damage meters....
Really? Does every game have to be elitist minmaxing e-sport game?

Can we please discuss other things?

How about combat trackers?

mrwaffles

Pl1x wrote: »

We are waiting for a game that looks amazing, but every 3rd thread is about damage meters....
Really? Does every game have to be elitist minmaxing e-sport game?

Can we please discuss other things?

you're new here so let me tell you how it is: new people dont want to use same thread so they remake once a day. The forum admins dont want to enforce spam code of conduct rule so said users can go on doing this. Lastly, what are your views on multi boxing?

Yuyukoyay

As long as there is relatively obvious push back against the idea they won't consider it though. There is a slight chance they could change their mind otherwise, but I don't think DPS meters accomplish anything in the game. A good player can get a grasp of how much damage they are doing without one. So you will probably be able to get a good look at if you are playing the class correctly or not.

I'm against them because I don't want to use them. If they are in the game I'm going to be forced to use them.

Also there are going to be a lot of class combinations that will be good that won't be able to use them. There are probably going to be a lot of classes that bring utility that the stats are blind to. Like how in classic WoW Paladins did the most damage in the game that can't be tracked by the game because it was through buffs.

Plixen

noaani wrote: »

Pl1x wrote: »

We are waiting for a game that looks amazing, but every 3rd thread is about damage meters....
Really? Does every game have to be elitist minmaxing e-sport game?

Can we please discuss other things?

How about combat trackers?

Not sure how they work, are they like the logs in wow?

It's probably better, but i wouldn't mind if they dropped both.
Enjoy the game, if you fail on a boss try to change something, have fun.
That's what i think they want us to do.

My point, though, is that i wish there would be other discussions on this forum, or keep all the dps meter shit in the same thread, and not generate new threads for every thought you have on the subject.

BlackBrony

Bolorny wrote: »

(Almost) Every game has chat text recordable as .txt log files.
Set your chat windows to make a tab dedicated to combat logs only, record it, parse it, and voilà ! You'll have your dps meter... just not in game, aside from it.

Text parsers are fairly easy to code, I'm assuming someone in the community will do it and share it with everyone, no doubt about it.
That's how we did it in Everquest, 21 years ago.

And so, both people who want and don't want dick-o-meters will be happy.

Done with the dps meters threads ! Next !

You can't use third party add ons. If you only have a chat window with the information this means you need to manually enter this data elsewhere to analyze it. If you try to automate this process, I believe this is an addon scraping the IS client.
If someone finds a way, then you just get a tracker after the combat is done and analyze data anyway.

Nagash

Neurath wrote: »

Daedrik45 wrote: »

Oh ok makes sense, the meter used on wow actually has different stats like for example. Dps, hps and I believe a few other things. People underestimate the trauma wow refugees suffer from lol the struggle is real.

Yes, Noanni loves to twist the concepts. Damage Received calculates the Damage Per Second taken.

Only Noobs need a tool to tell them not to stand in lava.

not even noobs in most cases it fools

Nagash

Oh look yet ANOTHER dps thread

mrwaffles

Nagash wrote: »

Oh look yet ANOTHER dps thread

no no no...this one's different. More different than

this one ,or this one,or this one,or THIS one.

(only went back 2 pages with last updated of 8/1 to get those links.

Ventharien

mrwaffles wrote: »

you're new here so let me tell you how it is: new people dont want to use same thread so they remake once a day. The forum admins dont want to enforce spam code of conduct rule so said users can go on doing this. Lastly, what are your views on multi boxing?

Masterful. Hahahah

Ventharien

noaani wrote: »

I just want to point out, I have never stareted a thread on this topic.

I am, however, a master of carrying on conversations.

That you are.

Shaladoor

@Daedrik45

I did a dps meter experiment this morning on wow!!

You're still playing WoW... *hug* Hang in there buddy, better days are on the horizon.

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