Anyone Else Trying To Think Of Ways To Break The Game Already?

Imagine a 40 player raid. Well balanced with tanks/heals/support/and dps. All 40 players are sub class cleric. I haven't had the opportunity to play the game yet but come on! How are we supposed to die in this scenario!? Even small heal additions to a rogues spells would be pretty overpowered I think. I am super curious to see how the balancing goes during alpha one!

Roaming PvP with 10+ Bard/Clerics. Constant AOE heals going off haha. This will be fun : )

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darthaden

I'll be looking for exploits during the alpha/beta whenever the family fast travel is introduced. I already have a few ideas on how it might be possible to exploit it. Using it to skip travel time after grinding to sell off everything in a far away node is my main concern

akabear

Not sure if break is the right word, but highly pleased in a recent other test of another game to find a way to generate legitimately 100x the income that was achievable through playing the way most other people were.

Definitely will consider that for this game to get a head start when it comes out.. playing by the rules within the system, just playing the game!

ServNiQ

Drek wrote: »

To see to break the game i'd start with:

PvP 250 vs 250
All summoners (3 summons each) + 1 combat pet

Turns into 1250 vs 1250 ... and see if that doesn't break the server.

Now breaking the game balance wise is another ball game, 64 classes with each different armor and weapons setup.... a lot of possibilities.

You forgot about the mounts!

Linstead

Neurath wrote: »

It wouldn't be wise to stack the same classes in group PvP. Hard Counters would have a field day.

Isn't content balanced around primary archetypes though (8 archetypes per group, etc)? Secondary only slightly augments your abilities and I doubt they are going to try and balance around all 64 combinations. The only thing I could see would be hard DPS/gear checks, but without DPS meters if the devs were to make bosses revolve around DPS pushes people would be real upset.

Besides, I'm sure for a lot of encounters some archetypes will just completely outmatch others. I bet there will be a bunch of class stacking, it just won't be common among casuals. Only no-life guilds where people have many maxed out alts it will happen.

Fildydarie

With open world raiding, "add more people" is a viable strategy to overcome encounters. I expect that you would fare much better to take a well-balanced raid of 80 than to try to cheese with everyone off-classing cleric.

At this point I think enough other MMOs have been broken that there are plenty of examples of things to avoid. EverQuest gave us kiting and shakerpage as very dramatic examples. Crowd control was also an unintended mechanic--root and mesmerize spells were meant for escape, not to park a mob so it could be debuffed and wait its turn to die (or, in the case of root, force aggro onto the closest target). I believe the idea that players would form raids was unintended (but I can't find anything to back that up, so I could be wrong). There was, after all, no formal raid group system in EQ until the Planes of Power expansion. Instancing and content scaling are fairly well established checks on adding numbers to solve problems, so "add more people" has an established counter as well.

Given the very vocal opposition to multiboxing, I expect the family fast travel will not be a practical solution.

I'm sure there will be at least one breakable thing that slips through the betas, but I feel as though there is nothing one player will be able to do that couldn't be done more efficiently by a large guild.

Caeryl

Here I was just thinking how I’m going to try to Blink out of the map as many times as possible during Alpha testing.

But on topic, you wanna see something broken? 10+ player stack, all DoT classes. Tag some poor soul and watch him burn

Atiqa

This is literally just about how well they balance the game, so we can't really come to any conclusion at all yet.

Here's my view on it though:

Every single choice of class/subclass will (should) have pros and cons, so when you go cleric subclass, you get some pros (smaller heals etc), but you also lose out on everything else that players with other subclasses will have.

Just as a very very simplistic example: Player "A" has cleric subclass and can heal small amounts when hitting enemy. Player "B" has some other subclass and deals increased damage. If the added damage that player B gets cancels out the healing player A gets, then there's no advantage for player A.

It would probably also be really easy to counter since there would surely be many abilities that nobody has any counter to, because they all went cleric subclass.

Cold 0ne FTB

KHRONUS wrote: »

@Cold 0ne FTB I mean....that is entirely my point haha.

@Flagg Absolutely. Testing these theories will be fun. We should hook up in Alpha to see if we can break anything in hopes to fix them before launch : ).

@Andi Necromancer should be something along the lines of healing the team while doing damage. Kind of like a shadow priest in wow I would imagine. Don't know where I heard there or even if it is true but it makes sense.

Exactly there is nothing you can theory craft. So why make up or presume things about the game. That's not theory crafting.

PlagueMonk

ServNiQ wrote: »

Drek wrote: »

To see to break the game i'd start with:

PvP 250 vs 250
All summoners (3 summons each) + 1 combat pet

Turns into 1250 vs 1250 ... and see if that doesn't break the server.

Now breaking the game balance wise is another ball game, 64 classes with each different armor and weapons setup.... a lot of possibilities.

You forgot about the mounts!

(and all the vanity pets!)

Darktide

Cold 0ne FTB wrote: »

Exactly there is nothing you can theory craft. So why make up or presume things about the game. That's not theory crafting.

Um.. Can you please define your logic? Theory crafting is by definition, theoretical, presumptuous and a speculation. It's not called fact-craft. Just so you understand the difference.

Khronus

@Flagg Some people just don't understand it unfortunately haha

Nagash

So aiming to do a raid with 40 summoners and see what happens

Cold 0ne FTB

Flagg wrote: »

Cold 0ne FTB wrote: »

Exactly there is nothing you can theory craft. So why make up or presume things about the game. That's not theory crafting.

Um.. Can you please define your logic? Theory crafting is by definition, theoretical, presumptuous and a speculation. It's not called fact-craft. Just so you understand the difference.

That is not in fact what theorycrafting is or what OP is refering too- theorycrafting is the process of min/maxing or optimizing your character. It's looking at potential setups of skills and abilities that archetypes get and saying how can I break this. How can I be stupidly powerful. Since we don't know what the majority of abilities or arguments will be in this game we can't do this. Any theorycrafting people do now is pure speculation is useless and meaningless.

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