45 days @ 4/6 hours per day, too much or too little?

So not to start arguments or drama but healthy discussion. I couldn't find a post about it so if this is a repeat post my apologies. With the current estimate being 45 days at 4 to 6 hours played per day, do you think this is too long or too short for leveling adventure class to max? My personal opinion is I would like to see 45 days increased to 60. We don't know however if node levels will cause in game natural throttles against the pace makers leaving them with few to no quests until nodes catch up a bit. Thoughts and opinions please and thank you!

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Ulquiorra

If we consider that everything we do contributes to adventurer level, it's probably easier than it sounds and needs to be a little harder.
Anything that discourage leveling alts is desirable by me.

halbarz

Ulquiorra wrote: »

If we consider that everything we do contributes to adventurer level, it's probably easier than it sounds and needs to be a little harder.
Anything that discourage leveling alts is desirable by me.

I agree, an alt should be something people can think about after a year to a year and a half. The first year should fully engage people to the point that they forget the option to create another char.

daxiongmao87

I am quite tired of the trend of making max level the "real game," and making leveling an obstacle.

Make leveling a part of the game again. I would love more focus on lateral progression over vertical progression.

45 days isnt bad but wouldn't mind longer.

George_Black

Ulquiorra wrote: »

If we consider that everything we do contributes to adventurer level, it's probably easier than it sounds and needs to be a little harder.
Anything that discourage leveling alts is desirable by me.

I agree with this notion.
Most games these days want you to play with alts and spend money on skins and other bullshiet.
Look at ESO. People log in do all the crafting dailies with 8 or 12 or howmany alts the account fits. Zero comminity interaction. Then they log in the alts they want to play that day and do their PvE dailies.

No to dailies. No to alt/npc gameplay. Give me time to sink in my CHARACTER and make a name for myself in MY SERVER.

I rly think that the 40-50 lvs should take 60 days on it's own +30-40 days for the 1-40 lvs.

This gives time to the devs to create meaningful expansions.

Now when it comes to new players, every year, or year and a half, AoC should implement a community catch up that benefits players of 1-40 for a few months. A MILD bonus to xp/gold/drops gained.

That way new players interested in the game will feel that they can catch up to the older players.

None of that scalling bullshiet.

Lfmr

I feel like this system is really long actually, when everyone is max level, or you find out that you don't actually like the class you're playing, you have to spend 45 days just to catch up to everyone else.

Bolorny

there will be horizontal progression still to achieve after reaching max level, but 230 hours to reach max level still seem quite short to me, for a game you want players to play on the long run.

what I hope is that the xp curve will be very, very very very slow in the last levels, because max level has to be an important milestone achievement.

Actually, the xp progression needs to be like :
-Early game : slow, because you have to take the time to learn the game mechanics properly,
-Mid game : faster, because now that you know the game, you'll be grinding alot,
-End game : super-slow, because achieving the 5-10 last leves before reaching max level are important milestones.

HiddenDaggerInn

If anything it's too short, I'm tired of games letting people get to max level in 1 week, where is the accomplishment in that? Taking longer will really get you to know your class very well, and I'm sure at every level on the way to max there will be planty of stuff we can do.

Aardvark

No dev team guesses how long leveling will take correctly. Every game I have ever played their have been people at cap within 1/3 to 1/2 the min time the devs thought it would take.

Daedrik45

For me I I like the 45 days, I play 3 hrs a day but 6-8 on my 2 days off so I make up for it, also plan to take vacation at launch so I can play 10-12 hrs a day for 10 days lol sending the wife and kids to Florida to spend time with her mother. But the combat will be everything!! I won’t notice the grind if combat has my full attention.

WeavingFlow

Most of players with a hardcore inclination, addicted players, or just players used to leveling as the first thing to do in any MMO will rush for leveling anyway. So by adjusting the time required you're just making their life harder or easier, but it won't change their behaviour towards the rest of the content.

There are only a few players with a casual mindset and a bit less gaming addiction who would take their time, and for most of them 45 days is okay, just like 120 or 15 would be.

The real question, to me, is how to make hardcore et al. players interested in doing something else than leveling while they are not max level, since 90% of players in MMOs do that all the time.

I hope the node progression system will help, but i'm pretty sure most hardocore players will try to find a way around it.

Leroher

The important thing is not only if 45 days 4h-6h/day is enough. The key is that you don't need to farm to get there, there's a lot of ways to lvl up, and kill boars is not the only one.

Grimfaldra

I suffer from severe altitis and repetitive leveling disorder. I will pat my own shoulders if I manage to create less than 10 characters in 45 days. Never mind me being max level with one.

For people without the above metioned afflictions, nearly 250hours of play to max level gives you your moneys worth and depending on the replayability factor, more than that. Not too long, not too short.

8BitBaker

Leroher wrote: »

The important thing is not only if 45 days 4h-6h/day is enough. The key is that you don't need to farm to get there, there's a lot of ways to lvl up, and kill boars is not the only one.

I think this is a really important point to make. If it takes 45 days of me playing the game to level up, honestly I'd say that would be GREAT. I don't mind that the game takes a relatively long time to level assuming that that process pulls me through actual content and not just a massive grind fest.

Songcaller

It would take a Hardcore Player 23 Days to level because Hardcore Players put in 12 hours a day or longer.

Of course, Node Progression might slow Hardcore Players down, also depends on whether the Hardcore Players can maintain groups to level in.

Edit: Hardcore players could do it in 15 Days if its closer to 4 hour sessions rather than 6 hour sessions to equate to 45 days.

BaSkA_9x2

I believe that the harder it is to reach max level the more rewarding it feels to reach it and, if it's actually fun to level up, the better it will feel to play as a max level.

I also think that you should be able to compete in "end game content" at about level 45, hopefully gear isn't level gated. Regarding gear, I like how RuneScape blocks people from using certain items, although something like that can't be done here, I hope there's gonna be something a bit different to it.

Leroher

Grimfaldra wrote: »

I suffer from severe altitis and repetitive leveling disorder. I will pat my own shoulders if I manage to create less than 10 characters in 45 days. Never mind me being max level with one.

For people without the above metioned afflictions, nearly 250hours of play to max level gives you your moneys worth and depending on the replayability factor, more than that. Not too long, not too short.

We suffer the same illness my friend.

Leroher

8BitBaker wrote: »

Leroher wrote: »

The important thing is not only if 45 days 4h-6h/day is enough. The key is that you don't need to farm to get there, there's a lot of ways to lvl up, and kill boars is not the only one.

I think this is a really important point to make. If it takes 45 days of me playing the game to level up, honestly I'd say that would be GREAT. I don't mind that the game takes a relatively long time to level assuming that that process pulls me through actual content and not just a massive grind fest.

Yuup, that's it. In fact, it's the most important factor lvlingwise for me. I imagine my character reaching lvl 50 by doing some dark stuff for a religion or the thieves guild.

GrimmLiberty

I think that 360 hours to make 50 would be preferable. I want a slower leveling system. Plus, it would force the bots and farmers to invest at least at least a month(12 hours/day) into the game and make them not want to get banned as much, from a personal point of view, not the organizational point of view..

Vangal

It is completely fine to have a longer leveling process if it is fun and engaging throughout.

Kaelang

I think what we need to consider is how realistic such time frame actually is in comparison to when players learn to min-max their gains when they get ingame. There's going to be a large proportion of players who completely speed through the content and hit max level much, much sooner than the initial timeframe.

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