Please Let Us Gift Something AoC!!!

An open Video to @StevenSharif and Intrepid Studios.

For those who don't watch the video:

Please allow for a system where Content Creators can gift cosmetics we buy from the store or even beta keys so that we can give back to those who support us. As a content creator I am supported by viewers and I want to give back in the form of give aways/contests that are AoC related and not giving away other games or unrelated items.

You can Watch the 6 minute video here.

Additional Edit: Because people keep focusing on the Store gifting which is only 1 example and isn't even the point of the post/video I am adding this.

The point is to have something AoC related creators can give our supporters in appreciation for the content we make that is AoC. If I am playing Minecraft I can give away Minecraft stuff. If I am streaming Fall guys I can gift Fall Guys to viewers. That is my point. It's not about asking/getting free stuff. I am more than happy to buy it from AoC to help support the game too.

It could be Desktop Wall Papers that are unique or something of that nature. This has nothing to do with RMT. This is a request for Creators only. Creators, smart ones, are NOT going to engage in RMT and risk their AoC accounts and Twitch Accounts for cheating.

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HiddenDaggerInn

That's a pretty cool idea

darthaden

I have no objections to this as long as the gifting program is eliminated before launch so people can't sell cash shop cosmetics for in game gold

Beekeeper

darthaden wrote: »

I have no objections to this as long as the gifting program is eliminated before launch so people can't sell cash shop cosmetics for in game gold

That's a very good point. Irl money and ingame money should at no point become connected.

Beck Altarr

darthaden wrote: »

I have no objections to this as long as the gifting program is eliminated before launch so people can't sell cash shop cosmetics for in game gold

I think at that point there would need to be some other kind of system in place where we as creators can still show our support to our communities. If my content is primarily AoC content by launch, the last thing I should be doing is giving away copies of Fall Guys or some like game or non-AoC related stuff.

If you limit it to ONLY creators, it would be pretty easy to track who may be abusing the process to do what you are concerned about as well.

Hopefully by then they will have Gift Cards for their shop or something where it would be pointless for someone to pay someone else real money for something they can purchase them selves. A gift card that would be able to be used for the MMO and for the Battle Royale in addition to any other properties they bring online.

Beekeeper

Beck Altarr wrote: »

If you limit it to ONLY creators, it would be pretty easy to track who may be abusing the process to do what you are concerned about as well.

It would be cool if community managers could build some kind of cooperation system that would vet, overlook and support content creators in those kinds of efforts.

Atama

Yeah, once the game is live there definitely should be zero chance of gifting cosmetics or you’ve officially allowed P2W through the cash shop. I think allowing it before launch is cool though.

Beck Altarr

Atama wrote: »

Yeah, once the game is live there definitely should be zero chance of gifting cosmetics or you’ve officially allowed P2W through the cash shop. I think allowing it before launch is cool though.

Cosmetics isn't P2W. The nature of Cosmetics is that it changes nothing in the way of power rating or abilities.

The reasonable concern is just people running a marketplace out side of the game to earn in game gold buy buying people stuff out side of the game, and even the gold isn't going to give that much advantage if everything also requires other materials. Sure you could buy more stuff in an auction house, but that's not really P2W either as some people will farm more than others and amass a lot of gold through legit means.

Eventually everyone gets to end game. In an MMO there is no "winning the game" because it never really ends.

I'm not excusing it, but I think the concern is over blown. There should be checks and balances in place to prevent those things but understand they will happen regardless. Someone will find the flaw in the system.

It's like Multi-boxing. If they say it's not allowed, it wont stop people from doing it and getting around any measures they have in place to prevent it. It's just part of the culture of online gaming.

Now on a broad scale where everyone could do it, yes it would be much easier to abuse. I would like to think a content creator who has a special permission to do this wouldn't want to risk losing their account and I know Twitch would also likely ban the creator account for cheating as well. Why risk making a few bucks only to lose your channel and account where you are likely making more from your supporters?

Chances are creators will get gifts of gold from supporters as well who maybe don't have the cash to pay for a Twitch Sub. What kind of in game auditing will there be for that? If a player earns gold through legit means and then gifts 1000g to someone with no other in game exchange will that be flagged immediately as suspicious or will it take into account that the person gifted the gold was a creator or guild leader and would have some kind of exemption?

This would make for a great topic for my show on Sunday... lol

My request doesn't even have to be giving cosmetics in game. It's about ANYTHING I as a creator can do to show my appreciation for my subs and followers that would ALSO support AoC.

Atama

Beck Altarr wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Yeah, once the game is live there definitely should be zero chance of gifting cosmetics or you’ve officially allowed P2W through the cash shop. I think allowing it before launch is cool though.

Cosmetics isn't P2W. The nature of Cosmetics is that it changes nothing in the way of power rating or abilities.

The moment gifting becomes enabled it is.

Spend $10 for a skin. Gift it to Joe. Meet Joe in the game. He hands you 100 gold pieces. You spend those gold pieces on a new war hammer. You just bought an in-game upgrade for $10 real life cash. This isn’t even me being paranoid, that is the reason why Intrepid doesn’t allow gifting.

Sure, gold selling can’t ever be stopped, but Intrepid doesn’t want to do anything to make it easier. This is a years-old topic by the way.

If you do limit this sort of thing to certain people who have a special relationship with Intrepid they might be more open to it. It reminds me of when game companies and provide certain communities with codes that can be redeemed for virtual items. And maybe that’s a better way to go about this; rather than having you buy stuff from the shop that you gift to people directly, you have a certain number of codes you can give to fans who then redeem them on the web site for cosmetics.

Beck Altarr

Atama wrote: »

It reminds me of when game companies and provide certain communities with codes that can be redeemed for virtual items. And maybe that’s a better way to go about this; rather than having you buy stuff from the shop that you gift to people directly, you have a certain number of codes you can give to fans who then redeem them on the web site for cosmetics.

This is something I suggested in my video.

Vio1

The winners of your give aways should give their account name to you and then you should be able to gift it to them that way. Then have the item redemption locked to their account.

No card. No code. No transfer. No value. If they haven’t created an account by now, they shouldn’t be entering a giveaway for the game.

In fact, you could relay the account names to intrepid staff, who then “redeem” the codes for those who won.

Simple. Clean. Abuseless.

Noaani

I am all for Intrepid offering content creators keys that they can give to supporters to then redeem to get things on the cash shop.

I am not so keen on content creators being able to buy off the cash shop and gifting.

Roko

I have heard from @Jahlon during his livestreams that official content creators will have access to stuff to give away to their community in the future. He has specifically talked about beta keys. But perhaps you could reach out to any of the official content creators and ask them.

I know the program is currently under remodeling and will undergo changes so perhaps you will be able to know more when the new guidelines are published.

BobzUrUncle

Please no.

Beck Altarr

Roko wrote: »

I have heard from @Jahlon during his livestreams that official content creators will have access to stuff to give away to their community in the future. He has specifically talked about beta keys. But perhaps you could reach out to any of the official content creators and ask them.

I know the program is currently under remodeling and will undergo changes so perhaps you will be able to know more when the new guidelines are published.

That's the problem is none of us know who is or how to be an official content creator.

Beck Altarr

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Please no.

Feel free to explain so we have context for your opinion. Can't have much of a discussion otherwise.

BobzUrUncle

From the wiki

I don't want cosmetic items that can be purchased from the market to be transferable... because it is in a way a transfer of money for potentially something in-game.[30] – Steven Sharif

Atama

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

From the wiki

I don't want cosmetic items that can be purchased from the market to be transferable... because it is in a way a transfer of money for potentially something in-game.[30] – Steven Sharif

Like I said, this has been Intrepid’s stance for a long time.

I think being able to give keys to folks for cosmetics would get around the issue.

unknownsystemerror

I think the workaround of CC that are eligible for swag to giveaway have to submit a list of their various winners to Intrepid to assign the rewards is one of the better options. Cause if I win the code to some exclusive dev armor on Jahlon's stream that everyone wants, that shit going on EBay, or whatever the kids use these days to sell stuff. If the 3rd person is taken out of the loop, makes it much harder if not impossible to scam it.

Jahlon

As Unknown has pointed out, the problem with giving out codes to people is that people put the codes up on Ebay, or they sell them in game for gold. This has been a problem in several games I have been a content creator for. In fact, I have been offered stupid sums of money for some of the cosmetics codes I have had in my possession.

Unfortunately the only easy way to fix this, is a process that creates a lot of work for Intrepid.

The easy way is to have a system where codes can be given and redeemed. Takes a few hours to set up this system (which Intrepid already has) and then its off to the races.

The only way this functions is if players give the Content Creator their either account name or their email address, and the creator forwards it through to the company and the company awards them. This creates problems because a lot of people don't want to give creators their credentials for risk of losing their account, but its the only way to ensure the stuff goes on the account that won, and doesn't end up on Ebay.

Vio1

Jahlon wrote: »

As Unknown has pointed out, the problem with giving out codes to people is that people put the codes up on Ebay, or they sell them in game for gold. This has been a problem in several games I have been a content creator for. In fact, I have been offered stupid sums of money for some of the cosmetics codes I have had in my possession.

Unfortunately the only easy way to fix this, is a process that creates a lot of work for Intrepid.

The easy way is to have a system where codes can be given and redeemed. Takes a few hours to set up this system (which Intrepid already has) and then its off to the races.

The only way this functions is if players give the Content Creator their either account name or their email address, and the creator forwards it through to the company and the company awards them. This creates problems because a lot of people don't want to give creators their credentials for risk of losing their account, but its the only way to ensure the stuff goes on the account that won, and doesn't end up on Ebay.

If the player doesn't trust the content creator with their information in the first place, they probably wouldn't be entering the giveaway for the same reason.

And either way, the trust has to be given. Either the Game Developers give trust to Content Creators/Players, or trust is given by Players/Content Creators to the Game Developers. That is how you forgo the middle man market.

I believe the trust should be given by the players, in exchange for the potentiality of getting a rare, unique, or sort after item/access. There is no value of exchange for the Game Developers to give trust to the Content Creators/Players, which makes that option a moot point.

It really depends on if the Game Developers want to give trust to content creators to divvy out the rewards, or if they want to have sole discretion of who, what, and how certain things are given.

If they do not trust their content creators to manage the rewards for fear of abuse, they could do it themselves and verify. It just depends on their degree of paranoia.

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