Why i will not be playing AoC

Hey Everyone,

I heard about this game recently and there is a ton of good that i saw. Unfortunately as much as i enjoy destroying people in PVP i enjoy PVE more. The answers toward PVE and some of the examples i have seen sound cool but do not fulfill my wants as someone who enjoys PVE and more particularly Raiding. I was really hoping AoC would check all the boxes but it fell short. It checks alot of boxes and even adds boxes. However, this game appears to be falling short on some important points. Its stance towards Addons which is essentially a stance against players who want to make the game better or easier in a sort. I am typically a minimalist in this area so i was not too worried about it. I also think any addon ideas should be brought up now and maybe they can just add those features. An example of a feature i would like to see is a map of sorts you can right strategy on for the team to look at and also be able to mark on. This is now a addon in WoW. I use it a lot because its nice to be able to draw a encounter or upload the map and draw out our strategies. However DPS meters and healing meters have been lumped into that. Its almost a disrespect to someones intelligence to even debate the topic because its essential. Its not even that its just essential but if you don't want to see it so you can immerse yourself into a game. an example would be questing or exploring. Just TURN IT OFF. DPS meters do not have to be displayed 100% of the time. PVE events were just displayed on taking a castle where loot would go to the guild with the most dmg or be given by dmg output yet there is no dps meter. This is honestly a huge let down for them to go over both of these points nearly back to back without notice of the logic contradicting itself. i for one would like a option to hide my UI as well so i can do just that. immerse myself while questing or hanging out at a tavern. I have a feeling class balancing may also be a reason why the dps meter is something the developers are against dps meters. ESO had issues with OP builds plaguing a diverse class selection. They dont have to worry about it if they don't have meters. well not as much anyway. The third issue is more so because i am a community leader and i do not want to be forced to have a particular size community. I have had huge communities and small. I do not want to have to recruit and manage a 40 man raid team or larger. The best example of where a game got it right would be WoW Wrath of the Lich King where they allowed 25 or 10 man raids. Options and scaling works wonders. I understand because i saw more of the game of why the game is being tuned this way. The hope is that there is a huge community in this game. However with its not so friendly PVE content. I think the communities will not meet exceptions at max level. Which will break the meta being created. Things can change as the game is in alpha but from what i am seeing from the small community here and the streams. This game is going to have everything i wish WoW had. However it wont have what WoW has. WoW with all of its faults still has a community and raids with a lot of effort put into them. They have made mistakes with the last expansion but they are also now opening up legacy servers. Its hard from a PVE stand point to pick AoC over TBC or a possible good retail expansion or even WOTLK. PVP is still good in WoW and i enjoy it a lot. I love alot of what i am seeing here however i am getting flash backs of the last WoW killer, the one before that, and that. I think AoC is a step in the right direction. i like the thinking outside of the box and mixing some PVE and PVP.

I may hop into a stream or 2 and check on the development but i think the issues are too deeply placed. Not to mention real feedback is hard to find. People are easily distracted by pretty things and i for better or for worse have a good way of getting to the meat and potatoes.

cheers,
Tarnish

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darthaden

I'm way to lazy to read that much complaining

George_Black

I understand people maintaining this topic in the front page by replying, if they share OPs view and want to add their concerns.

I think it's stupid to say "I wont play a game" instead of "I will participate in development".

Topics like these should dissapear in the 4th page so people, if you agree, stop maintaining it. Ty, Im out.

mrwaffles

This is the mentality of the majority of Blizzard and wow fan base IMO. Talk about what they want, why they should be listened too, and when they don't don't get what they want they complain and then leave to go back to wow...

Everyone keeps talking about this game being in alpha but even if it wasn't self absorbed people like the OP are going to come and go and have been for the past 3 years.

Nothing will ever compare to our first mmo love and all the amazing experiences it gave us. What we can do is go out on a limb and give AoC a chance and have some fun doing it.

mrwaffles

George Black wrote: »

Topics like these should dissapear in the 4th page so people, if you agree, stop maintaining it. Ty, Im out.

Normally I would agree but strangely I want it to stay in the front page. Flip the script and let all IS staff see the majority, and I do mean Majority, of the community doesn't agree with the dribble and we are all patiently waiting to see Vara with our own eyes.

(Since everyone else is doing it)
Waffles out

Samson1

mrwaffles wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Topics like these should dissapear in the 4th page so people, if you agree, stop maintaining it. Ty, Im out.

Normally I would agree but strangely I want it to stay in the front page. Flip the script and let all IS staff see the majority, and I do mean Majority, of the community doesn't agree with the dribble and we are all patiently waiting to see Vara with our own eyes.

(Since everyone else is doing it)
Waffles out

Damokles

See ya @Tarnish
I think it is too early to judge a game during its infancy, but that is your decision to make and not mine. ^^

At the same time, i have some bones to pick with you about one of your statements:
"WoW with all of its faults still has a community and raids with a lot of effort put into them. They have made mistakes with the last expansion but they are also now opening up legacy servers. Its hard from a PVE stand point to pick AoC over TBC or a possible good retail expansion or even WOTLK."

1. WoW's community is in shambles since they implemented the raid/dungeon and server overarching groupfinder. People hop in and out of groups without saying a word, running from world quest to world quest. There is no communication between players anymore... EVEN IN DUNGEONS.
2. Legacy servers were not a win for Blizzard, but for the last remnants of the old school community. I still remember them saying that we dont know what we want, and that Legacy servers would die out immediately, do you?
3. You should not compare Ashes, a game in its infancy, to an expansion of a game that was 3 years old at the time were you draw a comparison... comparing Ashes and WoW AT ALL is a bit much, because they dont try to emmulate WoW. They are their own thing and try to revive old school MMORPGs, not the casual grey mess that WoW has become nowadays.

Noaani

I have to say, I disagree with the OP as well (which will surprise a lot of people here, I'm sure).

What I will say is that his opinion is shared among several dozen top end and almost top end guilds that I know of, and no doubt many more that I don't. The perception of Ashes as a game that isn't going to have good PvE content at the top end will keep thousands of players out of this game if not addressed before the game goes in to beta 2 (essentially the cut off point for top end guilds).

However, there is still so long to go before the game releases that it is simply too early to make the call as to whether the game is worth playing or not.

Warth

@Tarnish

See you, your post could have used a little better readability.
I do respect the fact, that you are leaving the feedback in a constructive way, without adopting some stupid thought process of trying to make them change the fundamentals of the game they design just because you don't like them.

I hope, that maybe at launch you can find enjoyment in the game, whether you align with all their decisions or not.

Daedrik45

I will bet any amount of money this person has a “ im quitting wow today” and this is why post on the WoW forums

bigepeen

WoW seems like the perfect game for you. AoC is not trying to compete directly with WoW's everyone-gets-a-trophy system. In AoC, the depth of having to outplay not only static PvE content but also players in a completely open world, creates more memorable and dynamic moments than watching a DPS meter to gauge if you will be able to kill a dungeon boss that you've killed a thousand times before. If you only enjoy games with static PvE content, then stop criticizing games that are different, and just play one of the thousands of games that already caters to that.

Karthos

Sounds like you'd have fun in WoW.

Good luck!

Marzzo

Just wait til the game is finished and decide then lol

Debase

Ashes of Creation isn't going to be for everyone. Hope you find something that meets your desires.

DarkxGlaive

@Tarnish I hope you didn't purchase then leave! That would be horrible...

Moid

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Hurf Derfman

I've been avoiding this thread based on the title alone thinking it'd vanish.

Now that I'm here, it makes so much sense. I understand now.

/Bump

Hurf out. (Mic drop)™️

nidriks

@Tarnish
I would like to debate your choice of words at the end there. The mechanics of AoC are not issues, they are the way the game is. Issues indicate a problem with a game. Ashes had a plan from the get go to make MMOs social and interesting again, and not the copycat money spinners they have become.

It's great that you want certain things from a game and would not like to see others. I'm afraid not every game is going to be to your liking. That is true for everyone. There are many games I like the setting or the premise for but find the gameplay is not to my taste. I play something else.

You seem dead set that you wouldn't like AoC. You haven't even tried it. You must have been interested to some extent because you set up an account and felt the need to post. I am sure you are intelligent enough to realise that posting that you'd rather see a game do things differently is not going to make it so, so deep down there must be some love of what AoC is doing.

I say the same to people who come on here and might say the proposed death mechanics are too harsh. Try it and see. I think people will be surprised with that. The same to be people who are wary of PvP.

Lastly, and I think most importantly, it's not wise to assume the features you have read about, and the way those features work, are set in stone. Ashes isn't even in alpha yet. I don't think the greater idea of Ashes being more challenging or that it is incredibly sandbox will change, but there will be tweaks. For all we know, Intrepid will include a dps meter. I don't think the inclusion of that is outside of what the game envisions.

Like it was for me when I first tried the copy of Everquest that was on the cover of PCZone back in 2002, it might well be the game that changes your gaming and takes it to a new level. Playing that game was the best thing I ever did. I'd never heard of it and wasn't even sure I'd get into it. A day later and I was hooked.

I don't think Ashes will change, but that doesn't mean it ain't for you. When it releases come back, spend a small amount and try it for a month. You don't need to buy the game, just a month's subscription. It might be the best thing you ever do, and, like me and Everquest, you end up playing an MMO you'll love for years and remember for even longer.

Welcome to the Ashes community. We all hope you stay and end up loving this title that promises to well and truly revolutionalise MMOs. Because it will.

Kneczhevo

Can I haz ur stuffs!?!!1!

RisingPhoenix

So....we haven't even entered a1 and someone posts a small novel in why they won't play? Intrepid has done what very few devs have ever done and opened up alot about the game and.....seriously considered public input. No going to play? Sorry but this is troll to me. What we have seen is nothing compared to release and I am certain some servers are going to be more pve than others. Although pvp is a significant part, it isn't what will define the game, just enhance it. Social interaction, working as a team, exploring, crafting, ....the list goes on.

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