Cryptocurrency?

With how in depth this game is turning out to be, are developers thinking about adding a way of earning some sort of crypto token for playing the game? I read a past post that someone put out a while back about blockchain in AOC, but I;m not sure if he and I meant the same thing. There are a lot of advancements going on with etherium that could be useful, from personal experience I know I will be spending a very long time infront of the screen playing my favorite MMO. If I could get paid for doing so, well, I might make it my job to play.

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Elgondamo

Ember is an alt digital currency, tether works the same in as much as it is tied 1 for 1 to the dollar. I'm left wondering why they would even make an alt digital currency that you can buy and spend in a shop that you can also spend fiat in? I have dollars and I want X from shop. I can buy embers 1x1 and buy it with embers or I can buy it with dollars... Makes little sense... There have to be different ways of getting ember other than buying them 1for1.

If they havent implemented a way to earn it through in-game interactions then they should. If AoC is the first MMORPG that figures out how to resolve not only the player agency issues that plague current MMO's. But also have a way to compensate their subscribers for the time they invest playing the game and therefore making it more popular and more profitable. Ecosystems of the future are circular, implementing something in anyway similar to what I'm suggesting can only be good for the game.

apmax

What even is the basis for this idea? I really do not get it.
Your insistence on shoving a cryptocurrency in some way shape or form into this videogame is unprecedented in its ridiculousness.

Pandium

Earning tokens as you play, no... go to buff.game or something similar and ask them to add game when its released (but you are going to wait for a loooong time). Now, paying sub with crypto seems kewl, i say why not

Rhadek

WTF!! NO!!

Noaani

Elgondamo wrote: »

Ember is an alt digital currency, tether works the same in as much as it is tied 1 for 1 to the dollar. I'm left wondering why they would even make an alt digital currency that you can buy and spend in a shop that you can also spend fiat in? I have dollars and I want X from shop. I can buy embers 1x1 and buy it with embers or I can buy it with dollars... Makes little sense... There have to be different ways of getting ember other than buying them 1for1.

If they havent implemented a way to earn it through in-game interactions then they should. If AoC is the first MMORPG that figures out how to resolve not only the player agency issues that plague current MMO's. But also have a way to compensate their subscribers for the time they invest playing the game and therefore making it more popular and more profitable. Ecosystems of the future are circular, implementing something in anyway similar to what I'm suggesting can only be good for the game.

You seem to be new to MMO's, and just recently learned about crypto. That is all I am able to gather from what you are saying.

First of all, you can't just buy items from the cosmetic shop when the game goes live. You will need to purchase Embers, which you can then use to purchase items in the shop with.

As to why they do it this way rather than just allowing people to buy directly from the shop - there are three reasons.

The first is that they hope people will buy a larger amount of currency than they will spend. This is not really a reason, but a lot of people think it is.

The second is that it allows Intrepid to bundle game time packages with in game currency - much as they already do.

Third is that it allows people using foreign currency to purchase a large amount of Embers if they want to, perhaps taking advantage of a favorable exchange rate, but more importantly only needing to pay a single exchange fee.

Now, as to your last paragraph - players don't "invest" time in to an MMO. If that is how you look at playing games, you should look for another hobby (or a better job).

If people have to do an active task to earn Embers - even if it is in game - and those Embers can be sold for money without breaking any kind of ToS, then Intrepid would need to register as an employer in every country they allow the game to be played in, and would likely need to hire accounts in all of them as well.

This is a hard, sold and complete no. Not for any reasons to do with what people want, but for reason to do with how the world functions.

Copperfield

so many brainless responses here..

Adding crypto tokens to a game does not mean that your game becomes p2w..

For example.. this company is still in control in weither or not you add stuff to your cashshop that's not p2w..

Now the question will be.... will this company allow tokenizing these items, that are in cashshop.. and run a blockchain in background to allow trading between these assets..

Its nothing more nothing less.

The embers that ashes uses could be tokenized. which in the background will be running on a blockchain which provides 100% sercurity

player to player trading is another subject to discuss.. and i dont think steven will be happy in doing so.. since it will bork the sales of the cashshop

tbh... i dont see any benefits in tokenizing embers.. because it im pretty sure that player 2 player trade wont be allowed for cosmetics.

Noaani

Copperfield wrote: »

so many brainless responses here..

Adding crypto tokens to a game does not mean that your game becomes p2w..

Remember, Intrepid consider the ability to trade a cosmetic item to another player to be a form of pay to win. If I am able to buy a thing with money, and then trade that thing in game with another player, that's pay to win.

As such, if any crypto associated with the game is able to be both traded and used in game in any way (even if just cosmetic) it is pay to win.

It may not be pay to win by your definition, but your definition is not the one that matters here.

So, any crypto tied to the game would need to either not be able to be traded, or not be able to be used in game. One of those things MUST happen in order for it to not be pay to win.

Copperfield

Noaani wrote: »

Copperfield wrote: »

so many brainless responses here..

Adding crypto tokens to a game does not mean that your game becomes p2w..

Remember, Intrepid consider the ability to trade a cosmetic item to another player to be a form of pay to win. If I am able to buy a thing with money, and then trade that thing in game with another player, that's pay to win.

As such, if any crypto associated with the game is able to be both traded and used in game in any way (even if just cosmetic) it is pay to win.

It may not be pay to win by your definition, but your definition is not the one that matters here.

So, any crypto tied to the game would need to either not be able to be traded, or not be able to be used in game. One of those things MUST happen in order for it to not be pay to win.

if cosmetics that you buy from cashshop will be trade able amougst other players.. then yes shit is p2w

Merek

Go back to Entropia.

Rissy

Sounds like someone is trying to avoid being an adult.

Noaani

Knytemaire wrote: »

Sounds like someone is trying to avoid being an adult.

True, but it also sounds like they have half a decade before they need to start thinking about being one.

Kokeshen

When it comes to global economics we are all heading into a very scary time. Without going into the maze of data and what each data point means, as a global economic analyst, I can tell you that the best case scenario leaves the world with WAY less manual/unskilled jobs. Many will be out of work and not everyone will be able to learn how to program or be an engineer. With the creation of cryptocurrency the world thankfully has a new financial tool to turn to once S.H.T.F. One possible solution that this tool enables (and honestly imo is the best solution for global mass unemployment) is to Work in-Game on some type of MMO like Ashes of Creation. So OP can in fact be on to something here. Crypto gaming can be the Future and I think it SHOULD be. That is unless of course you're okay with hundreds of thousands or even millions of more people starving/struggling to support their families.

For those not familiar with cryptocurrencies, BTC and ETH are already outdated Blockchains that could not facilitate the needs of this kind of vision. Instead the game development team would have to use a 3rd generation Cyrptocurrency platform that DOES NOT require processing power to generate/distribute coins. A platform like Skycoin (SKY) that separates consensus from coin distribution/rewards would be my guess on how it would be done.

All this being said, can we all be real with each other??? If the game reaches any level of popularity there will always be people who create black markets to sell their in-game currency, loot, or accounts for real cash. That's the way it has always been and the way it will always be. "Where there is a will, there is a way" and making money from playing a video game will always be desired by somebody. The only way to really curb this kind of exploitation is to integrate it into the game in a way that doesn't ruin the gameplay.

This team has shown some real originality and ingenuity on this game (like with their open world PvP system) So If any gaming developers can figure out how to make this work I think it could be them.

Khronus

Ladies and gentlemen, the OP is AoC's first RMT. Attempting to blend in with our fine community to try and sway public opinion. For shame.

CaptnChuck

Stop bringing cryptocurrency into a goddamn video game man. Cryptocurrency is highly unstable and is thus an unreliable source of income. Its better to just stick to standard currency.

CROW3

WoW has already implemented this with gold-based play tokens, so it's not like we're talking about marginal concepts. I remember when I was a kid, and the 'adults' told me that video games were a waste of time and would rot your brain. Well it's now a multi-billion dollar industry that has applications from entertainment, to skills training, to e-sports, to medical therapy.

So, is utilizing block chain and cryptocurrencies in virtual worlds absurd? No. In fact, it's going to become more and more commonplace to see virtual currencies over the next few decades.

CaptnChuck

CROW3 wrote: »

So, is utilizing block chain and cryptocurrencies in virtual worlds absurd? No. In fact, it's going to become more and more commonplace to see virtual currencies over the next few decades.

We'll see to it when the time comes. Cryptocurrency is not going to be a real thing for the next 10-15 years or so at the very least.

As for WoW tokens, they were a mistake.

Kokeshen

CaptnChuck wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

So, is utilizing block chain and cryptocurrencies in virtual worlds absurd? No. In fact, it's going to become more and more commonplace to see virtual currencies over the next few decades.

We'll see to it when the time comes. Cryptocurrency is not going to be a real thing for the next 10-15 years or so at the very least.

As for WoW tokens, they were a mistake.

Cryptocurrency is already a real thing. @CROW3 Hit the nail on its head. This will be introduced to gaming in the Future and the MMO's that don't adopt it will suffer. We're talking about a revolution in gaming that actually helps people in their real lives.

The crazy thing is that it will hardly change the way an MMO is played because people have already been making money from black markets for sometime now. I just can't understand why this has so much resistance, its just technological progress nothing more.

CaptnChuck

Kokeshen wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

So, is utilizing block chain and cryptocurrencies in virtual worlds absurd? No. In fact, it's going to become more and more commonplace to see virtual currencies over the next few decades.

We'll see to it when the time comes. Cryptocurrency is not going to be a real thing for the next 10-15 years or so at the very least.

As for WoW tokens, they were a mistake.

Cryptocurrency is already a real thing. @CROW3 Hit the nail on its head. This will be introduced to gaming in the Future and the MMO's that don't adopt it will suffer. We're talking about a revolution in gaming that actually helps people in their real lives.

Nope it isn't. Does it exist? Yes.

Is it widely adopted? No.

Is it going to be widely adopted in the next 3 or 4 years? No, I don't think so.

Is it going to be adopted in the next 10 years? Maybe.

We'll solve that issue when it occurs. Why worry about the far future? Focus on the near one.

Kokeshen

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Kokeshen wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

So, is utilizing block chain and cryptocurrencies in virtual worlds absurd? No. In fact, it's going to become more and more commonplace to see virtual currencies over the next few decades.

We'll see to it when the time comes. Cryptocurrency is not going to be a real thing for the next 10-15 years or so at the very least.

As for WoW tokens, they were a mistake.

Cryptocurrency is already a real thing. @CROW3 Hit the nail on its head. This will be introduced to gaming in the Future and the MMO's that don't adopt it will suffer. We're talking about a revolution in gaming that actually helps people in their real lives.

Nope it isn't. Does it exist? Yes.

Is it widely adopted? No.

Is it going to be widely adopted in the next 3 or 4 years? No, I don't think so.

Is it going to be adopted in the next 10 years? Maybe.

We'll solve that issue when it occurs. Why worry about the far future? Focus on the near one.

It does not merely "exist" like a tree in a forest or a thought in your head. It's a "real thing" because there is already financial service infrastructure developed to facilitate transactions between fiat and various Cryptocurrencies. These companies make Billions in mixed assets and like you said Crypto isnt even in the mass consumer adoption phase yet. There are hundreds if not thousands of Crypto ATM's popping up across the world as we speak! We have Crypto to fiat point of sale terminals coming out, not to mention visa and mastercard having already partnered with crypto banks that allow crypto credit cards to be issued. These make it possible to use BTC to pay for goods and services like it were cash and people are already using this! Just because you can't see the progress being made in the bubble you're living in doesn't mean it's not happening at breakneck speed.

Furthermore, It sounds like you're just throwing numbers out without doing the research.

But I'll play along. The reason we should think about the future is because it may be too late to implement this sort of thing after a game is online. We're talking about swapping the entire economy of a game while its live. An economy is a foundational element, not something you stack on top of your infrastructure like a jenga piece. I'm no developer but If in-game economies are anything like real world economics then once an economy is being lived in its sorta like Pandora's box. Extremely hard to reel back in and start again without getting a whole lotta people mad.

CaptnChuck

Kokeshen wrote: »

We're talking about swapping the entire economy of a game while its live. An economy is a foundational element, not something you stack on top of your infrastructure like a jenga piece. I'm no developer but If in-game economies are anything like real world economics then once an economy is being lived in its sorta like Pandora's box. Extremely hard to real back in and start again without getting a whole lotta people mad.

Exactly. So why do you want to bring in an unstable thing like cryptocurrency into the mix?

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