Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people...
Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult.
Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that?
Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game
jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do.
Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass...
jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same.
Mojottv wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Well, i mean be asshole- deal with conciquences. To some people its more annoying when someone is being asshole than just dying in game
mcstackerson wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone. You were not murdered, your character dropped to 0 hp in a video game and was forced to respawn. With how this game is designed, you suffer further penalties. Murdered people don't respawn. If losing in a game that you chose to play causes you so many issues, that is on you. Have you ever tried to improve your attitude on this or do you assume that this is an ok way to act?
jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Well, i mean be asshole- deal with conciquences. To some people its more annoying when someone is being asshole than just dying in game A**holes I can deal with, I do it daily. Murderers on the other hand I deal with rarely and wish to keep it that way. Just me nice to people most will return the favor, just use your words and save the sword. mcstackerson wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone. You were not murdered, your character dropped to 0 hp in a video game and was forced to respawn. With how this game is designed, you suffer further penalties. Murdered people don't respawn. If losing in a game that you chose to play causes you so many issues, that is on you. Have you ever tried to improve your attitude on this or do you assume that this is an ok way to act? My contention is and will continue to be that murdering another player in game elicits a similar emotional response as being a victim of a RL crime, I have personally felt the same emotions as when I was jumped in the ghetto 40 years ago. I still don't understand why people can claim to feel joy and pleasure from killing another person in game, but expect victim not to feel any emotion at all.
jubilum wrote: » My contention is and will continue to be that murdering another player in game elicits a similar emotional response as being a victim of a RL crime, I have personally felt the same emotions as when I was jumped in the ghetto 40 years ago. I still don't understand why people can claim to feel joy and pleasure from killing another person in game, but expect victim not to feel any emotion at all.
Kneczhevo wrote: » @mcstackerson Murder is a game term, related to Corruption. Murder and kill are two terms used in AoC, to separate the mechanics of the death system. Please don't confuse the game term with real life annologies. Because killing in AoC is permitted, murdering is not. If you don't understand the difference, I recommend visiting Ashes101 and/or the Wiki.
Caeryl wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Well, i mean be asshole- deal with conciquences. To some people its more annoying when someone is being asshole than just dying in game A**holes I can deal with, I do it daily. Murderers on the other hand I deal with rarely and wish to keep it that way. Just me nice to people most will return the favor, just use your words and save the sword. mcstackerson wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone. You were not murdered, your character dropped to 0 hp in a video game and was forced to respawn. With how this game is designed, you suffer further penalties. Murdered people don't respawn. If losing in a game that you chose to play causes you so many issues, that is on you. Have you ever tried to improve your attitude on this or do you assume that this is an ok way to act? My contention is and will continue to be that murdering another player in game elicits a similar emotional response as being a victim of a RL crime, I have personally felt the same emotions as when I was jumped in the ghetto 40 years ago. I still don't understand why people can claim to feel joy and pleasure from killing another person in game, but expect victim not to feel any emotion at all. Literally no one said the one getting PK’d shouldn’t experience negative emotion from it. They’re saying that being mad, or frustrated, or sad at a video game is not even vaguely comparable to real life traumatic experiences. Because it isn’t. You get attacked in real life and you can end up with symptoms of PTSD and physical injury. You get attacked in a game and at worst you’re moderately inconvenienced.
Xyls wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Well, i mean be asshole- deal with conciquences. To some people its more annoying when someone is being asshole than just dying in game A**holes I can deal with, I do it daily. Murderers on the other hand I deal with rarely and wish to keep it that way. Just me nice to people most will return the favor, just use your words and save the sword. mcstackerson wrote: » jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » what if i don't want to group together? What if I'm ok with just killing solo? And that guy spoils my fun? What about if they guy also talks shit to me? How devs are going to protect me against that? The developers don't need to protect you against others talking shit. You are expected to be an adult. my point exactly, if someone is PK'ing someone, they need to be an adult and deal with it. Tragnar wrote: » I am sorry but if you play a game where anyone can come and damage the mob you are fighting to steal portion of the xp - then I tell you that the dev that decided that has no grasp on how players play their game You mean, all of the new mmos, has a thing where if i damage mob for 50% hp, and some random dude damages 50% we both get 100% exp, or I get 100% and the other dude doesnt get any? jubilum wrote: » Mojottv wrote: » Also to everyone who is complaining about "griefers" killing you while leveling. What do you think about where people just run up and kill the mobs you're fighting? I have noticed, that its always same shit with newer mmos i tried, if you're a fighter, and fighing a mob or a couple of them, and some mage runs up just out dps's you and steals ur exp, while you basically tank for him. Whats your take on that? Is that considered griefing as well? I personally cant wait to have oportunity to PK mfers ass... No. They may be A**holes, but if they don't murder me then I just move onto the next mob or find something else to do. Same solution to Griefers who Pk people... That is not true besides having to deal with the emotional and physiological damage from being murdered. i also have to deal with spawning possibly half way across the map and the death penalty. Definitely not the same. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone. You were not murdered, your character dropped to 0 hp in a video game and was forced to respawn. With how this game is designed, you suffer further penalties. Murdered people don't respawn. If losing in a game that you chose to play causes you so many issues, that is on you. Have you ever tried to improve your attitude on this or do you assume that this is an ok way to act? My contention is and will continue to be that murdering another player in game elicits a similar emotional response as being a victim of a RL crime, I have personally felt the same emotions as when I was jumped in the ghetto 40 years ago. I still don't understand why people can claim to feel joy and pleasure from killing another person in game, but expect victim not to feel any emotion at all. You don't need a video game, you need a therapist.
jubilum wrote: » I personally have felt depression and dispare from an in game murder for several days and have never returned to games for this reason alone. This doesn't happen every time and seems to depend on my immersion level at the time. But it is very possible.
Bricktop wrote: » This thread has really gone off the rails. I mean what a shame for actual victims of crime to be compared to dying in video games. Shame on all of you who make this comparison. jubilum wrote: » I personally have felt depression and dispare from an in game murder for several days and have never returned to games for this reason alone. This doesn't happen every time and seems to depend on my immersion level at the time. But it is very possible. That is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.
jubilum wrote: » Bricktop wrote: » This thread has really gone off the rails. I mean what a shame for actual victims of crime to be compared to dying in video games. Shame on all of you who make this comparison. jubilum wrote: » I personally have felt depression and dispare from an in game murder for several days and have never returned to games for this reason alone. This doesn't happen every time and seems to depend on my immersion level at the time. But it is very possible. That is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read. I have been a crime victim on several occasions and that is my point the emotional reaction has been similar in both instances. And your claim seems insensitive to me, or a complete lack of compassion.
