If you're aiming for a massive game, the masses don't like open pvp

I do not understand how it is possible not to understand that today 2020 a game with classes and tab targeting cannot host, due to various balance problems, pvp except in a completely amateur and instantiated form, or managed separately with servers dedicated to pvp and dedicated pve servers, where in one cities will be destroyed by players via the pvp system and by npc and events in pve servers.
I don't understand where the problem lies in pleasing as many players as possible.
Amazon's New World understood that pvp was a problem for many, and ran for cover, what makes you think your game is different? Thanks for the replies and any discussion.

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Sov54

I know death penalty system is already decided, but:

A system we had in Tibia (old school MMO I used to play as a kid, like 20 years ago) was having experience loss penalties AND a tracking system for players.

So, killing someone for their loot may seem like a harsher punishment for the victim, but in fact it made the killer think it again before doing it, as killing the wrong guy could get you get tracked and hunted back to level 1.

So politics and having friends were important, and getting PK'd was something that you always had in mind but rarelly happened.

I bet other oldschool MMOs had the same, but that's the one I experienced.

Nagash

mrwaffles wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I feel like I've seen this thread before

Well that's because it's that time of the month my dude

more like time of the week

Percimes

I must admit open world PvP is my main worry about AoC. In vanilla wow it was ok-ish, but it soured pretty fast when the "honour" system was introduced: players were now worth points! REWARDS! The promise of reward often twist the fun into something else.

The frontier zones in Dark Age of Camelot were a good application of risk vs reward. Bonus XPs because no one was leveling there, but someone could jump you once in awhile. When the access to Darkness Fall changed it was also a fun chaos, whether your faction gained the access or lost it while you were in.

Although a bit worried I'm also hopeful. Ganking will have consequences, for one, but since there are no hard factions branding the other side as automatic and permanent enemies, pvp should be more objective orientated. You fight over resources, land, rivals but nothing is hard baked, it can change. Some players can stay neutral.

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FuryBladeborne

Sov54 wrote: »

A system we had in Tibia ...was having experience loss penalties AND a tracking system for players.

So, killing someone for their loot may seem like a harsher punishment for the victim, but in fact it made the killer think it again before doing it, as killing the wrong guy could get you get tracked and hunted back to level 1.

While we cannot have our level reduced, we currently have experience debt that must be repaid to continue leveling AND a tracking system for players that kill others in the form of bounty hunters.

Additionally, while you have experience debt you incur the following penalties,

Skill and stat dampening
Lower health and mana
Lower gear proficiency
Reduction in drops from monsters
Drop a percentage of raw materials

All of the above penalties increase with greater experience debt. Additionally, corruption from killing players adds the same penalties with additional penalties.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_death
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bounty_hunters
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption

fathergoose

The masses like Candy Crush. Are they aiming to make the most interesting and best game they can, or should they just aim to make the most money?

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