Wielding unwieldy weapons

George Black wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Voidwalkers wrote: »

(Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...

Not allowing 'katana' dw for the sake of realism is extreme and would hurt the game.

Isn't this the part where cosmetics will play a role?

If not, orc weebs will most likely have a one handed version of a katana.

Everyone else: *talks about dual wielding katanas*
Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

Noaani

With the way Ashes weapon skills are being set up, I don't see any reason why they couldn't make staves both one and two handed weapons, and have a separate skills for each - or even just a specific line within the same skill tree.

Obviously they wouldn't be as powerful in one hand as they are in two, but that then allows players to opt to use a staff and sword, or even a staff and shield if they want to.

It would mean a little more to balance, but I can't see any reason it couldn't be done.

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

Sathrago wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!

daveywavey wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!

https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/48574/feasibility-of-dual-wielding-spears

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Ventharien

I'd like it if they gave this subject the DnD treatment. Allow duel wielding with staves, but at a lowered damage potential, (utilizing it as a one handed weapon) and a higher damage potential if you don't dual wield.

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

Atama

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

What would you get out of it?

A spear is mainly for thrusting, though shorter spears can also be used like a staff to block, stun, sweep, etc. What do you get out of holding two of them? Everything you do with a spear (except throwing one) is done better when you hold it with both hands. Having two spears means having two weapons you can't properly use.

This is like thinking that if you can fight with a dagger in each hand, why not fight with 3 daggers in each hand? The more daggers the better, right? They'll fit, after all, you can physically hold them. It's awkward, but no matter, the more the better!

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

Dual katanas are actually really impractical. What someone would use is something like a wakizashi. One longer sword with a shortsword. That is something that is also done in european sword fighting.

Example:

Two katanas would only get in the way of one another, especially because they rely on thrusts and slashing motions.

Atama wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

What would you get out of it?

A spear is mainly for thrusting, though shorter spears can also be used like a staff to block, stun, sweep, etc. What do you get out of holding two of them? Everything you do with a spear (except throwing one) is done better when you hold it with both hands. Having two spears means having two weapons you can't properly use.

This is like thinking that if you can fight with a dagger in each hand, why not fight with 3 daggers in each hand? The more daggers the better, right? They'll fit, after all, you can physically hold them. It's awkward, but no matter, the more the better!

Absolutely. There's a couple of great explanations of it on the thread I linked earlier.

Atama wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

What would you get out of it?

A spear is mainly for thrusting, though shorter spears can also be used like a staff to block, stun, sweep, etc. What do you get out of holding two of them? Everything you do with a spear (except throwing one) is done better when you hold it with both hands. Having two spears means having two weapons you can't properly use.

This is like thinking that if you can fight with a dagger in each hand, why not fight with 3 daggers in each hand? The more daggers the better, right? They'll fit, after all, you can physically hold them. It's awkward, but no matter, the more the better!

Deathmaster Snikch seems to disagree.
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Atama

Damokles wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.

Well, there are schools of martial arts that teach dual katana styles, but I haven't heard of any that teach dual spear. That's not to say that there aren't any, of course. But, if it was an effective fighting style, I imagine it would have been more frequently used.

What would you get out of it?

A spear is mainly for thrusting, though shorter spears can also be used like a staff to block, stun, sweep, etc. What do you get out of holding two of them? Everything you do with a spear (except throwing one) is done better when you hold it with both hands. Having two spears means having two weapons you can't properly use.

This is like thinking that if you can fight with a dagger in each hand, why not fight with 3 daggers in each hand? The more daggers the better, right? They'll fit, after all, you can physically hold them. It's awkward, but no matter, the more the better!

Deathmaster Snikch seems to disagree.

That wuss. He only has one in each hand like a noob! And I bet his tail could hold at least two.

Tacualeon

Double katanas was never a thing. Katanas are 2 handed.

Tachis (1300-1600) went againts armor, therefore were pointier and longer 1 handed. Katanas (1600-1900) were heavy thick 2 handed slasher because people stopped using armor.

Efficient dual wielding is for dueling and with blades of different lenght.
Tachi+Kodachi in 1600 Japan.
Rapier+Dagger in 1600 Europe.

Without arrows flying around and in 1v1, another blade can be better for attack and defense than a buckler. You parry and attack at the same time, and both arms can do both.

Damokles wrote: »

What someone would use is something like a wakizashi. One longer sword with a shortsword.

Very true.

Though, I'd still suggest that it's more practical than dual spears...!