Critical lack of lore + overwhelming amount of systems

You guys really need to release anything that engages the public with the lore BEFORE the launching of the game: a comic, a book, a video, anything, and it needs to happen by yesterday. One of the things that glue people to WoW, for example, is how much contact you can have with the lore even before you play the game. We have dozens of animations, a series of books, and we already had 3 Warcraft games even before WoW was released. It is a big thing. The lore is what makes these 3D models shooting magic and wielding swords become actual people that you care about, starting by your own character, because you at least have some kind of idea of the universe, the context he or she is in. Also, one extremely important element of the game is how it's going to be presented to the players as they progress in the leveling. Steven has already mentioned about a dozen of systems, mechanics, differentials that are included in everything we interact with in the game. Everything has a system, a tier, a use, a variable and that needs to be introduced in VERY SMALL bits, otherwise people will be overwhelmed. Following the popularity of instant-gratification based genres of games like mobas, fps and battle royales, it is very easy to scare the gaming Andies away. If they are presented more than one aspect that denies that instant gratification at a time, it's almost surely one less player. I apologize if these ideas are saturated.

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Amma

Warcraft I = 1994
Warcraft II = 1995
Warcraft III = 2002
WoW = 2004

So......we should postpone AoC 10 Years and make 3 other smaller offline games to have the same lore? :-)

Marcet

Lore is very important and should be the BASE where the game is created, the world and all its history should make sense to then build a game on top of it. Not the other way around.

Everybody likes good lore in their game, If it's told in-game and not by external means it's awesome, I love it in dark souls (one of the best lores ever) and they can do a great job at it.

But just remember lore is the first thing, the base of the game, not a lore created after the game. And we want an expansive lore that explains how that universe works.

mrwaffles

Marcet wrote: »

Lore is very important and should be the BASE where the game is created, the world and all its history should make sense to then build a game on top of it. Not the other way around.

Everybody likes good lore in their game, If it's told in-game and not by external means it's awesome, I love it in dark souls (one of the best lores ever) and they can do a great job at it.

But just remember lore is the first thing, the base of the game, not a lore created after the game. And we want an expansive lore that explains how that universe works.

I agree, and a lot of the IS are big roll players. They've streamed a few sessions too and suggest people go check em out. I've watch a bunch of live streams for games in the past and they've never played a single roll playing session (table top that is). Thats not the end of the world because they still have great stories. I just think if a lot of the staff has actually roll played then the culture in the studio is different. Everyone is involved in the story and can contribute. Not just a small team of story writers.

JoelTGM

I played WoW for the first time with no knowledge of the lore. It was just a fun experience to explore the world. I learned as I went along. The game should tell the story. You can't expect everyone to read books before they play the game. Also I think the worst way to make lore is to force it out. You're telling them to write books yesterday. That's a horrible way to approach art and creativity. Just relax.

winner909098

Onahiri wrote: »

Thank you everybody for you input on this. I have come to agree with most of your points, and will certainly keep making posts but only as the game progresses to avoid unnecessary repetition. Quite hyped for this

I will just copy and paste this in every PVE thread that pops up, we have to many unnecessary threads.

Nagash

Amma wrote: »

Warcraft I = 1994
Warcraft II = 1995
Warcraft III = 2002
WoW = 2004

So......we should postpone AoC 10 Years and make 3 other smaller offline games to have the same lore? :-)

Or just "borrow" lore from another franchise and make the smallest of changes and pass it as your own

Voidwalkers

No, please don't. When you cross media, different factors that influence quality comes into play.

What makes a great game is different from what makes a great film, comic, novel. We've allllll seen wonderful games that have a terrible film adaptation (and vice versa).

I'd rather have Intrepid focus entirely on delivering a great game, and not diverting resources on releasing mediocre media just for the sake of communing the lore.

And on top of that, I think that's what an OPEN WORLD mmo should be about - you're not supposed to know everything (through out of game media), but instead you experience and find out about the world around you, in game.

btw, have been a wow player for years, but never bought any out-of-game media.

Atama

Amma wrote: »

Warcraft I = 1994
Warcraft II = 1995
Warcraft III = 2002
WoW = 2004

So......we should postpone AoC 10 Years and make 3 other smaller offline games to have the same lore? :-)

It’s already been postponed a couple of years and we’ve had Apocalypse released as a game (in the loosest sense), so they’re 1/3 of the way there already if that’s the route they wanna go.

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

Amma wrote: »

Warcraft I = 1994
Warcraft II = 1995
Warcraft III = 2002
WoW = 2004

So......we should postpone AoC 10 Years and make 3 other smaller offline games to have the same lore? :-)

It’s already been postponed a couple of years and we’ve had Apocalypse released as a game (in the loosest sense), so they’re 1/3 of the way there already if that’s the route they wanna go.

I don't personally think that counts.

Not because Apoc was a test or what ever, but because if we are talking about the games lore, then people need to be able to go back to the previous games again.

We can go back to earlier Warcraft games, but not to Apoc.

Atama

Noaani wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Amma wrote: »

Warcraft I = 1994
Warcraft II = 1995
Warcraft III = 2002
WoW = 2004

So......we should postpone AoC 10 Years and make 3 other smaller offline games to have the same lore? :-)

It’s already been postponed a couple of years and we’ve had Apocalypse released as a game (in the loosest sense), so they’re 1/3 of the way there already if that’s the route they wanna go.

I don't personally think that counts.

Not because Apoc was a test or what ever, but because if we are talking about the games lore, then people need to be able to go back to the previous games again.

We can go back to earlier Warcraft games, but not to Apoc.

I say, I say, that was a joke son.

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