So I heard this game is potentially coming out in 2023.

So I guess my question to the devs is... Whatd yall do today? (besides underwater mounts)

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Noaani wrote: »

Beck Altarr wrote: »

If I craft the world of Sanctus for my Radio Dramas and I sell it convincingly, then those who come across my work will take it as gospel

No they won't.

Through previous experience... I differ with your opinion. Defiance is a great example where people felt what we were putting out was far better than what Trion Worlds was putting out. Now, we did have excellent access to some of the Lore people and writers of the TV series so we could craft great stories in the universe with the events of the game as a back drop but told the stories of those events more convincingly than the game did.

I have seen other creators do the same in other mediums across several games.

I am not saying it will happen here, only that it is possible.

With out anything to go on, we are all free to create the narratives for our characters back stories.

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

@Beck Altarr

My personal opinion is that driving the hype train while so far out is not a good idea. It's just not going to stay high energy for the number of years that production is still happening. The official content creators program is locked. I don't know their reasons for this, but not pushing the hype train years before release seems like a good one.

I don't feel like I.S. is concealing their lack of progress to the community.

I agree, if you read my comments, I stated that when I first found AoC the impression was it was a year out from release, not 2-3 years and from talking with many others I am not alone. Maybe it wasn't intentional but their always positive approach is misleading and it seems only when there are major issues that anything is addressed to the community, sadly too common among all developers. My comments are based on that impression. It's only been in the last month or two that I have determined they are not as close to Alpha 1 as they expected to be and at the end of August I predicted we would see a delay in Alpha 1 and I am saying now there is likely to be another delay before March as well.

I know that everyone would like things to be faster, but with large projects such as this, it is more likely to be slower than faster. Planning fallacies are common and difficult to overcome. Unless you use a statistical analysis of similar projects, any estimate given is more likely to be closer to a best case scenario than a realistic one. Additionally, any timeframe given that is not met will only increase the discontent of fans. Cyberpunk 2077 announced another one month delay recently and developers have been receiving death threats over the delay. The issue of announcing schedules is much worse than it probably seems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_fallacy#:~:text=The planning fallacy is a,and underestimate the time needed.
https://www.dailysabah.com/life/cyberpunk-2077-in-between-never-ending-delays-crunch-and-death-threats/news
Because I want to shorten this post, I will just say that asking for progress percentages is effectively equal to asking for completion dates.

Again, if you have read my comments, I encourage patience, I warn there may be delays and that they are O.K., It is better to find the major issues now in development than closer to launch.

The % idea isn't going to give anything away as far as a completion date. It's just saying where they are at currently in their development. We couldn't predict a completion model unless it was something they updated on a monthly or quarterly basis, which I am not suggesting. I am say for a current state of things now. Though I do accept many people will read into it. That's just the nature of communities.

This is a very ambitious project and I have seen people doubt it can be done because of Steven's inexperience, but I look at the qualifications of the people he has hired. A good leader doesn't need to be the best at what they are leading so long as they are best at surrounding themselves with the most capable people to do so. It does appear that is the case with I.S.

That doesn't mean that a project such as this can't and wont face delays. It just means you have some of the best people around to solve issues faster and set in place preventative measures as they learn what ticks off Unreal Engine.

daveywavey wrote: »

I've got to be honest, @Beck Altarr - it just sounds to me like you're asking "Can you please tell me loads of info so that I can make some money from your IP?"

You are going to need to provide some context for your comment. I have not asked for loads of info. I have asked for clarification and the level of communication they claim to have with the community that I haven't seen. No where have I suggested making money from their IP either. I produce content and people follow or subscribe, as they do with any other creator. By your statement you should go rail against Jahlon or Lazy Peon as they have and are making the most money off the AoC IP from their social media channels. Please provide citation as to where I have stated I want to make money off AoC.

What I want to do is tell great stories from the community perspective with the game lore as the threads that bind the book together. I want to do the lore justice while giving the community another outlet of creation via an online radio, the only medium people can experience virtually anywhere at any time. It wont be for everyone, but it will be for enough and although I am managing it, ultimately its the community that drive it, unlike other content creation which is exclusively the streamer or youtuber.

I think you need to take the time to really get to understand me before you start making false accusations about me.

@Cold 0ne FTB If you watched last years Second Life Stream the other lady IS their lore person. They can work on many things at once. I would be surprised if they didn't have a complete outline for the next several expansions already and complete histories of each of the raids and cities. They likely also have detailed outlines for many of the minor races and for many of the creatures. You always work on fleshing them out, but as someone who has been on a lore team, you are often keeping pace with the Art Dept and often it is the art Dept that is going to the Lore guys so they can better detail the art.

You really can't make a great game with out some kind of lore to drive it.

daveywavey

Beck Altarr wrote: »

I think you need to take the time to really get to understand me before you start making false accusations about me.

It wasn't a false accusation.

It was me telling you how your post sounded to me. But, now I'm starting to wonder..... the poster doth protest too much, methinks.....

Beck Altarr wrote: »

You really can't make a great game with out some kind of lore to drive it.

This game does have lore. The basics of it can be found on the wiki. We'll be told the rest when they're ready for us to know.

FuryBladeborne

Beck Altarr wrote: »

I agree, if you read my comments, I stated that when I first found AoC the impression was it was a year out from release..

It is not the fault of IS if players do not understand that Pre-Alpha means systems are so undeveloped that they can't even hit the first round of testing yet. While I thought this game would launch by the end of 2022 for a long time, I don't blame IS for my lack of understanding some basic programming phases that I could have looked up and understood what they were saying.

Beck Altarr wrote: »

The % idea isn't going to give anything away as far as a completion date.

10% complete = time taken up to this point (TTP) times 10 = approximate completion date (ACP)
25% complete = TTP x 4 = ACP
50% complete = TTP x 2 = ACP

Asking the % complete is effectively equal to asking the approximate completion date.

CROW3

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

10% complete = time taken up to this point (TTP) times 10 = approximate completion date (ACP)
25% complete = TTP x 4 = ACP
50% complete = TTP x 2 = ACP

Asking the % complete is effectively equal to asking the approximate completion date.

You're assuming the amount of time to move across product completion is consistent, which I've never observed to be true in any product I've designed, developed, or deployed.

It could take a year to get 50% complete, then another five years to get the rest complete. Product development timing looks more like the 'Jeremy Beremy' principle than a simple linear direction.

FuryBladeborne

CROW3 wrote: »

It could take a year to get 50% complete, then another five years to get the rest complete.

Sure. However, if they give us an approximation of what is complete then people are going to use it and then argue over whether IS is meeting its goals, if it takes twice as long to do the next equal percentage was the original percentage correct, is the game ever going to release or are we being mislead with false estimates. The list will go on seemingly endlessly until it is released.

IMO, if IS wants to release percentages, that's fine; but, they should only do it if they want to start identifying approximate timeframes for completion of the relevant stages.

CROW3

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

IMO, if IS wants to release percentages, that's fine; but, they should only do it if they want to start identifying approximate timeframes for completion of the relevant stages.

Yeah, I agree. Stakeholders, customers, leadership are all great at taking the hype train off the rails when it comes to 'data' like this - those %s can mean anything or nothing if they aren't caveated correctly. Really the golden rule to making a solid game remains true: it'll ship when it's done.

Atama

daveywavey wrote: »

@Beck Altarr
I got part-way through. I really tried...!

Same, but, you know, posts are content.

maouw

I think it's a bad idea to beat the drums this early.

It's really cool that LazyPeon brought a lot of attention to the project, but let that serve as an early blip so people know what's coming.
I think the current approach to letting content creators have access right before NDA release is the correct move - nobody wants to get an info dump only to find out that they can't dig into it themselves. It makes a lot of sense if content goes out just as alpha 1 opens.

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