QOTD: What would you like to see added to artisan skills? (new skills/craftables/gatherables)

Yuquiyu

id love to know what you guys think would be a nice addition to artisan stuff?

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Nagash

I would need to see the skills to make any suggestions

Vhaeyne

It seems pretty feature complete to me. Maybe split weapon/armor smiting into their subtypes.
It looks like you will have to specialize into say "Bows" as is, but I am not 100% sure.
If weaponsmith can make all weapons, I would like to see it divided up per weapon.

My reason is simply because it creates more niches, and thus more opportunity's. Both economically and socially speaking

Khronus

I am excited with what we are currently being shown about the artisan paths. It is forcing us to work as a community to trade and get things done (which I love).

One thing I would like to see is to make the artisan choices actually have an INSANE amount of value for end game. None of this weaponsmiths best weapon is replaced by something quickly kind of junk. Raw materials being extremely rare, and having to rely on gatherers, processors and crafters, to make end game content would be amazing.

Penguinos

It's vital for me that the player fully stops moving while harvesting.

I'm also making a full forum post about a scribe idea I would love to see implemented (them being able to make custom signs with an increased resolution based on investment into that skill)

FliP

Based on what I could read about Artisan Skills, they look fine to me as they are.

It may already be in place, but what would be nice to have with high artisan skill levels, is a higher proc rate the higher your artisan skill is. A high artisan skill should not just unlock certain recipes or abilities, but logically thinking, the better you get at something, the more efficient you are.

Therefore, a higher gathering level should allow you to sometimes get more items (or more rare items) from gathering.
A high crafting level would increase the chance for a rare proc (higher grade, better stats, better quality). Processing would either let you process more items at once (10 by 10 instead of 1 by 1) or yield more products from a certain process (eg. beginner processing: 1 log -> 1 plank, advanced processing: 1 log -> 2~4 planks, master processing: 1 log -> 4~8 planks).

Yuquiyu

FliP wrote: »

Based on what I could read about Artisan Skills, they look fine to me as they are.

It may already be in place, but what would be nice to have with high artisan skill levels, is a higher proc rate the higher your artisan skill is. A high artisan skill should not just unlock certain recipes or abilities, but logically thinking, the better you get at something, the more efficient you are.

Therefore, a higher gathering level should allow you to sometimes get more items (or more rare items) from gathering.
A high crafting level would increase the chance for a rare proc (higher grade, better stats, better quality). Processing would either let you process more items at once (10 by 10 instead of 1 by 1) or yield more products from a certain process (eg. beginner processing: 1 log -> 1 plank, advanced processing: 1 log -> 2~4 planks, master processing: 1 log -> 4~8 planks).

interesting
reminding me of albion online in a way

akabear

New World had some of the best crafting I have experienced in recent times, replicate their approach and I would be more than pleased!

XP gained per craft in that profession
Bulk crafting
Craft result improves with experience
Crafting an item returns within a level rather than just a level.
Higher your skill, the higher likelihood of a higher result craft
Add more base materials, increase your chances of a better craft
Add varius unique items into the crafting materials for a chance of a perk with the item
Individual part of pieces both dyable and dyes themselves were craftable.
Fantastic music/sounds with the craft to give weight to the success and process

Sathrago

One of the most interesting crafting systems I have encountered is within Mortal Online, where basically you can decide what kind of materials to use and how much to use when crafting almost any item in the game from alchemy to weapons. Both factors changed the stats on the gear, be it durability, damage, healing, duration... whatever effects would happen per material, and if they synergized with the other materials used in the craft. More was also not always better, so finding the perfect amount of materials to use in the crafting was a skill in itself.

I do not recommend playing Mortal Online, but I definitely recommend taking a look at their extensive crafting system.

Penguinos

akabear wrote: »

New World had some of the best crafting I have experienced in recent times, replicate their approach and I would be more than pleased!
XP gained per craft in that profession

Bulk crafting

Craft result improves with experience

Crafting an item returns within a level rather than just a level.

Higher your skill, the higher likelihood of a higher result craft

Add more base materials, increase your chances of a better craft

Add varius unique items into the crafting materials for a chance of a perk with the item

Individual part of pieces both dyable and dyes themselves were craftable.

Fantastic music/sounds with the craft to give weight to the success and process

I COMPLETELY disagree that bulk crafting should be in the game. Bulk crafting somewhat devalues the time investment of creating lower-cost crafts. All crafts should be manual.

Percimes

Penguinos wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

New World had some of the best crafting I have experienced in recent times, replicate their approach and I would be more than pleased!
XP gained per craft in that profession

Bulk crafting

Craft result improves with experience

Crafting an item returns within a level rather than just a level.

Higher your skill, the higher likelihood of a higher result craft

Add more base materials, increase your chances of a better craft

Add varius unique items into the crafting materials for a chance of a perk with the item

Individual part of pieces both dyable and dyes themselves were craftable.

Fantastic music/sounds with the craft to give weight to the success and process

I COMPLETELY disagree that bulk crafting should be in the game. Bulk crafting somewhat devalues the time investment of creating lower-cost crafts. All crafts should be manual.

There are acceptable exceptions: many sub-components for bigger items (nails, rivets, planks, arrow parts, ...). Having to make them one at the time would be very tedious. I'd say the same for any kind of ammunition (arrows, bolts, ... rotten eggs).

Khronus

@Penguinos

I don't understand the issue with bulk crafting......is it really such a big deal that I don't want to have to click individually on every single thing I want to craft? Make 10 bandages, click 10 times vs a QOL improvement of just typing 10 in and hit start. I'm ok with my "time investment" being stolen from me when crafting low level items haha.

Also, it's vital to have to stand still to farm something? Why? I can take this one or leave it to be honest. I really like the idea of smashing a rock and chopping a hammer while on the go. It's mindless farming anyway so why not make it so we don't have to queue up the exact same animation every single time you farm something. Being that this will be heavy in the pvp scene, you would think standing still for X time (repeatedly) just wouldn't make sense in this world.

Scribe is a great idea. Sending mail/mailboxes would be a cool addition. Gatherers can collect specific materials for it and scribe can be placed into the processor artisan.

akabear

@Penguinos I would disagree with you on the bulk crafting but it all depends if there is a need or not for massive amounts of expendables and if want to make ALOT of something.

In past experience, when doing a craft of 5-20,000 shots & arrows (expendables) in one bulk session for a few days worth of shots, the last thing I want to do is either a) press 1 at a time b) rig up the keyboard/bindings to repeat (luckily L2 only required weight to be put on the F5 key and that was sufficient to repeat the action until done) but border against code of conduct.

In New World, I bulk crafted between 50-100 items at the time. I was well past the tedium of crafting one by one and was quite thankful for it.

akabear

Sathrago wrote: »

One of the most interesting crafting systems I have encountered is within Mortal Online, where basically you can decide what kind of materials to use and how much to use when crafting almost any item in the game from alchemy to weapons. Both factors changed the stats on the gear, be it durability, damage, healing, duration... whatever effects would happen per material, and if they synergized with the other materials used in the craft. More was also not always better, so finding the perfect amount of materials to use in the crafting was a skill in itself.

I would love to see some high/special level crafting recipies have combinations of materials that are unique to the player that could only be obtained through experimentation to bring back that sense of wonder through trying in game, rather than everything set. and unique to the player to avoid players just cheating and looking it p on the net later, rewarding those that explore the game potential

Penguinos

@akabear I think that each and every craftable should be manual. My only exception is when there is a bulk version of a recipe. I do not think that someone should be able to look at materials and instantly turn them into a thousand single-recipe bolts. It would be much more beneficial, in my eyes, for there to be bulk, high-level recipes, for lower-level consumables. This in and of itself would be a form of progression!

maouw

Wouldn't it make sense to make arrows in, say, bundles of 20?

FliP

The better you are at a profession, the more efficient you get.

By leveling your profession, you should either (or both):
a) have a proc give you additional products per craft
b) allow you to mass process

This only makes sense. Obviously, you won't make 1000 arrows in a single craft, but going from 1 arrow at a time as a beginner to 10-20 arrows at a time as a professional only seems logically right.

Sathrago

maouw wrote: »

Wouldn't it make sense to make arrows in, say, bundles of 20?

no damnit I want you to craft the shaft, the feathers, the arrow head and the damn twine/glue to bind it all together. EACH. TIME. Also they will require you to purchase vr gloves as you are required to actually craft these items by real hand. If you mess it up your arrow breaks or misses the target.

Penguinos

Sathrago wrote: »

maouw wrote: »

Wouldn't it make sense to make arrows in, say, bundles of 20?

no damnit I want you to craft the shaft, the feathers, the arrow head and the damn twine/glue to bind it all together. EACH. TIME. Also they will require you to purchase vr gloves as you are required to actually craft these items by real hand. If you mess it up your arrow breaks or misses the target.

That would be so fun! It would make a complete merchant economy.

FliP

Penguinos wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

maouw wrote: »

Wouldn't it make sense to make arrows in, say, bundles of 20?

no damnit I want you to craft the shaft, the feathers, the arrow head and the damn twine/glue to bind it all together. EACH. TIME. Also they will require you to purchase vr gloves as you are required to actually craft these items by real hand. If you mess it up your arrow breaks or misses the target.

That would be so fun! It would make a complete merchant economy.

Ashes of Creation 2 VR, in stores 2031.

neuroguy

akabear wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

One of the most interesting crafting systems I have encountered is within Mortal Online, where basically you can decide what kind of materials to use and how much to use when crafting almost any item in the game from alchemy to weapons. Both factors changed the stats on the gear, be it durability, damage, healing, duration... whatever effects would happen per material, and if they synergized with the other materials used in the craft. More was also not always better, so finding the perfect amount of materials to use in the crafting was a skill in itself.

I would love to see some high/special level crafting recipies have combinations of materials that are unique to the player that could only be obtained through experimentation to bring back that sense of wonder through trying in game, rather than everything set. and unique to the player to avoid players just cheating and looking it p on the net later, rewarding those that explore the game potential

Regarding experimentation and a sense of wonder, I think this is romanticized and sounds cool but is really frustrating in game. I am imagining a system like skyrim's ingredient effect discovery system or PoE's synthesis league crafting. I do not want things to be convoluted or require many many repetitions highly contingent on RNG/luck. For example with Skyrim, without having a spreadsheet or something to look up online, you could get very unlucky and require your own spreadsheet of attempted and failed combinations to find all ingredient effects. This could potentially take a very high number of tries depending on your luck. This is not fun, imo.

In fact, I would really like to see some UI pop up during crafting where it describes the probabilistic nature of the outcome of stats etc on gear based on what resources (with a given quality etc) are being utilized. The devs can fine tune how much hand-holding is too much here but having crafting require you to use a third party website with some massive spread sheet is very off-putting and provides an arbitrary and high barrier to entry. There are much better ways to allow people to invest heavily and become better experts in crafting than having access to the most complete spreadsheet or getting lucky on some random trial and error discovery system that consumes your resources.

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