Continuing to gain experience at max level

One of the lame things about getting to the max level in most games is that now you no longer gain experience from monsters and the game becomes only about obtaining items and/or gold. These are just my thoughts on the various ways of approaching it

1 - The diablo 3 approach of introducing a 2nd kind of level, what they called "paragon levels". Continuing to gain levels at the relatively same pace which only unlock 5 raw stat bonuses per level. I actually favor this approach the most, but I think the "paragon" levels should take way way way WAAAAAY longer than normal levels took to gain levelling.

Like I think the first paragon level should take a comparable amount of time to at least TWICE as long as it takes to level all the way from 1 to the max level COMBINED. To the point where it really would become way too absurd to form exp parties and specifically grind to reach the next paragon level, but still at the point where long enough players of the game will inevitably EVENTUALLY reach the next levels.

And on a slightly tangential note, I think levelling in practically every game is way way way way waaay too fast, period. and I'm not talking like every modern game, of course those are, but I'm talking like classic WoW warrior levelling is still about 100x too fast IMO.

Getting to max level in a game should be at LEAST a 1 and a half to 2 year grind for the "average" hardcore player, and more like a 5 to 10 year journey for most "average" mmo players. I want gaining a single level to be taking at LEAST multiple weeks in the middle level ranges, and more like 1 or 2 months or more per level at the highest levels.

That's all kind beside the point though.

2 - Just introducing some sort of exp-based reward mechanic. Exp could be built up and exchanged for items or goods nor gold or quest points or whatever, but not used for actually gaining any more levels of any kind.

3 - Something else happens instead of exp. Perhaps monsters will drop more gold per kill or have high item drop rate chances, or will now drop some new token item that can be built up and exchanged to enter battlefields or something, who knows.

4 - Or of course you could just do nothing, and people get to the max level and now they just don't get any exp and nothing else happens.

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Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The only flaw in all of this napkin math is that it will be very node dependent at launch. People like me might be waiting around for node progress to give us access to mobs that are worth farming.

Yeah, I think this will be the biggest issue with speed leveling at launch.

In order to be successful, I think you would need to have around 300 people that are well organized and all taking a few weeks off work.

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

In order to be successful, I think you would need to have around 300 people that are well organized and all taking a few weeks off work.

I am betting by time beta rolls around people will be setting up a dedicated node rush.

PlagueMonk

Dygz wrote: »

Going up is vertical progression.
Horizontal/Lateral is broad or wide.
Vertical is steep or deep.

apologies, I wrote that when I was severely sleep compromised.

The previous posts have been corrected.

insomnia

I don't see a need for paragon levels or anything. Deal with it. Eventually you hit the max level. Maybe level a new char. Do something else. Play a different game

Mojottv

I think exp should considered as consumable resourse as well, so while at max lvl (we know that you cant delevel) exp death penalties would be relevant, killing mobs and getting exp would be relevant as well. I think something in terms of using exp to gamble on getting random augments for skills could be one of exp sinks in the game.

Seabrook39

I was thinking of something similar, (with it being account wide) where players get a skill point for each level up after level 50, max level. Anything that increases stat points are mostly likely a no.

With X amount of the skill point items players can trade them to a npc for consumable items, all are account bound.

At least several tiers of cosmetic items.
Exp booster
Magic find booster
Consumable item to increase religion progression
Consumable item to increase social organization (Scholar's academy, Thieves' guild, Trader company) progression

BlightEmpire

Im torn.... I think a HARD cap is a necessary component, However even with trying to level up the things mentioned in the video above. Relgion, artisan skills, im sure most people wanna level these up anyway. But I feel that exp should still be gainable from monsters. Even if they dont do anything with it for awhile. I think it should be stored that hey i have.... i dunno 10million exp over level 50 and down the road do somthing with it. Im not saying use it retroactively to hit 60 that would take away to me. But add in a exp shop of some kind for cosmetics and other items that wont take away from the game.

I believe all other systems talked about are outside of exp. So i hope to see a interesting fair system for cosmetics or extra growth come along. And i honestly wouldnt mind a boosted level system. AKA paragon. Lets be real for a minute people talk about how some people, they want a solid level playing field for newer players. That wont happen. If you try to start out on a server lets say 6 months after launch. Unless you join a bigger group or stay alone and don't try to compete. You will never catch up not without equal time or better and even then those people who are 6 months ahead WILL ALWAYS BE 6 months ahead unless they quit. So the solution and ideas with exp based on the new players. Shouldn't be very relevant its a discussion on what the players who have played gotten to level 50 wanna see done. off topic a second but i foresee intrepid needing to open up a new server yearly as a fresh start or ever 2 anyway. The problem at that point after hitting 50 is gear. Anyone who has been earnest and played hard has earned high level gear that noobs cant compete with. Probley. So if you regularly play and farm exp a lot. I dont have a problem with you getting a "small" stat boost or bonus skill point. Look if you spent lets say... 3 months playing to earn level 50 as a example, and you then had to spend 1month or 2 to hit "Paragon" 1 or somthing and it was either a small boost or a few skill points as a boost i dont forsee it breaking anything immediately and it could all be adjusted a lot of ways

Summary
Paragon system could be explored to a SMALL amount.
Id be perfectly fine with cosmetic rewards based on XP acquisition after cap
Id like to see a interesting alternate way to use it, perhaps have it go toward a artisan skill or a religion, college, military, economy, not to node progression but furthering your reputation/rank as a personal level.

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