The problem with having “Tank” as a class name

Adhonis wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Suggesting that the issue YOU have with it is the only issue ANYONE has with it (as you are doing here) is a fairly clear sign of a superiority complex.

If that isn't blatantly projecting I don't know what is.

You are suggesting that all opinions must be the same as yours, I am offering a potential solution for people that happen to hold one specific opinion other than the one I have.

Blund wrote: »

kill wrote: »

Tank is a role.
DPS is a role
Healer is a role

Tank is not a class in the same way that DPS and Healer are not classes. Tank/DPS/Healer define the specific role of other classes given the situation the solo player or group is in but they are not classes themselves.

Not sure why this is so difficult for folks to grasp lol.

I fully agree with this, Guardian/Defender/Protector or why not "Lethargiam "!

The reason I dont think the first three here are appropriate are because they dont fully encompass what the tank archetype is.

The tank role is as much about control as it is protecting, and none if the above really depict that as well as the word tank does.

Atama

Noaani wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I will call out Intrepid for their mistakes.

As you no doubt know, so will I.

I just don't consider this to be a mistake.

I respect your disagreement.

strive

Im personally fine with it being called tank but if i would change it to anything else I'd just call it Guard

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto wrote: »

I've been quiet, but I'm going to express my opinion clearly.

What disturbs me more than anything is the endless verbal chess going on in this forum where there are so many people with passion for the game.

This is a loss to the game's growing appeal, wouldn't you say?
You should put your passion into more useful discussions.

Let's moderate the discussion and leave it to the IntrepidStudios folks to decide.

not much else to talk about. Give us some new stuff and we will gladly talk about that instead.

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

@Sathrago -san.
Honestly, I agree with the fact that there is no new information and no topic to talk about ......

OK!
Let's post in the existing thread what kind of crafting system we want for AoC!
I'm a crafting enthusiast and the lack of information is hell on earth, so I'd like to at least hear what everyone's ideal crafting system would be and have some fun with it!

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto wrote: »

@Sathrago -san.
Honestly, I agree with the fact that there is no new information and no topic to talk about ......

OK!
Let's post in the existing thread what kind of crafting system we want for AoC!
I'm a crafting enthusiast and the lack of information is hell on earth, so I'd like to at least hear what everyone's ideal crafting system would be and have some fun with it!

I mean, I don't really have anything to add. Everyone else has already said what I would like.

20h in, my prediction holds.

Maciej wrote: »

20h in, my prediction holds.

You can dislike that an author chose to name a character or item a name you dont like, but that doesn't mean they should change the story for you.

The same thing applies here. Instead of trying to micro-manage every little detail about Ashes of Creation how about just recognizing that the game cannot be perfect and sometimes the creator will do things you don't agree with.

Tyrakkel

Your poll drew me here, and I will admit I haven't read any other feedback, but feel the need to weigh in regardless. I've tanked a lot in other MMOs, and I selected "Indifferent but want it changed" on the poll. This isn't so much about the name, as much as the fact that names have power.

Cleric isn't called 'Healer', but if it were, I think it would have a negative effect on the playerbase. I'd wager that many people don't want to play a 'Healer', they want to play a Cleric. Clerics, in every fantasy setting, are capable of more than healing. So even in that sense, calling it a 'Healer' as an archetype name would be inaccurate. And because it's a 'Cleric', we know that's inaccurate.

But the Tank is a Tank. It doesn't have this same difference in name, and so the logical assumption is that it can only Tank. Even though my immediate thought upon learning about Ashes was that I would love to tank for my friends, I don't want to only Tank, personally, so I'm naturally pushed away from any idea of playing one to the point that I no longer even consider it.

In the end, I think keeping the archetype name as it is will lead to Tanks being significantly underplayed, to the detriment of every player looking to do content that would require one.

Sathrago wrote: »

You can dislike that an author chose to name a character or item a name you dont like, but that doesn't mean they should change the story for you.

You are 100% correct there.

That doesn't mean we can't collect data on this, or that I can't commit to donating 10000 euro to a charity if the data holds and they change the name

Maciej wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

You can dislike that an author chose to name a character or item a name you dont like, but that doesn't mean they should change the story for you.

You are 100% correct there.

That doesn't mean we can't collect data on this, or that I can't commit to donating 10000 euro to a charity if the data holds and they change the name

more power to you then.

LieutenantToast

Hello again friends! Merged in yet another newer thread about this topic - heads up that if you're going to put "(yes, again)" in your title, rather than continuing to share in the existing thread, it will probably get merged

Honshu

I played City of Heroes. Tanker was an actual class name for the tanking class. I didn't care then, and I don't care now.

3 days in on the poll, which has been shared on Discord and Reddit on top of being here, my prediction holds. The ratios of votes have been pretty stable.

Out of 89 votes:

41 voters want the name to change (including 6 who are indifferent about liking it, and 2 who do like it).
25 voters want the name to remain (including 3 who are indifferent about liking it, and 1 who dislikes it).
23 voters who don't care (including 5 who like the name, and 4 who don't like it).

I'd expect that there is a much larger population of people who don't care and/or are indifferent who haven't voted because, well, they don't care.

The condition I set was for the poll to prove me wrong until a fixed time, not to prove me right, so there is still a possibility that another poll could prove me wrong. That said, given the consistency of numbers here I reckon that is unlikely, so I'm happy to call these results binding wrt me donating, what say you @daveywavey?

Maciej wrote: »

The condition I set was for the poll to prove me wrong until a fixed time, not to prove me right, so there is still a possibility that another poll could prove me wrong. That said, given the consistency of numbers here I reckon that is unlikely, so I'm happy to call these results binding wrt me donating, what say you daveywavey?

I'm wondering if you know what exactly it is you've done here.

Whether it was your intention or not, you've made it so Intrepid simply can not, under any circumstance, change the name of the tank archetype.

If they do, they are then opening the entire game up to development via donation. If a donation of €10,000 is enough for Intrepid to change the name of the archetype (or if there is the appearance of them changing the archetype for that much), that means the value of the full set of names is €100,000. Based on that, I should be able to change the name of any class for €1562.50, or change a race name for €11,111.12.

I mean, the name was already set in stone (Steven has said he has no plans to change it), but what you've done is gone around and destroyed all the chisels so that even if he wanted to change it later, he can't now.

Edit to add; and in doing the above, it seems it is going to cost you €1,000.

I'm a big boy @Noaani, Steven is a big boy, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Intrepid can do nothing (spare name a charity) and I'll still donate 1k and sleep soundly at night.

daveywavey

Maciej wrote: »

The condition I set was for the poll to prove me wrong until a fixed time, not to prove me right, so there is still a possibility that another poll could prove me wrong. That said, given the consistency of numbers here I reckon that is unlikely, so I'm happy to call these results binding wrt me donating, what say you @daveywavey?

41 - 25 seems like a solid enough result.

Maciej wrote: »

I'm a big boy Noaani, Steven is a big boy, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Intrepid can do nothing (spare name a charity) and I'll still donate 1k and sleep soundly at night.

I'm not saying that this isn't the case.

What I am saying is that in an attempt to get the name of the archetype changed, you have guaranteed that it never will be.

I also doubt Intrepid will let anyone name a charity here either. The most likely thing is that they will want nothing at all to do with an attempt to purchase game development decisions.