No Dailies. No Chores.

Hello Forum Users, It's been awhile since I've posted.
I was an active user on the old website but decided to step back while the same threads and questions seemed to get repeatedly asked and answered over and over again. Looking at the current threads it appears not much has changed since then. However it's nice to see an active growing community.

Now I have no doubt these issue have been already discussed previously but i am going to lay another spread on the MMO destroying fall back player incentive of the 'daily quest' and routine 'login chores'

You all know what I'm talking about.... That slightly uncomfortable sensation of feeling forced to log into a game to perk up the (global population statistics) but have no real community input/interaction as you numbly go through the motions to fulfill some arbitrary tasks...then when done, log out because the incentives are not really there to keep playing for FUN.

So what I would like to see from Ashes is no Dailies or Login rewards or accumulative bonuses.

Let me decide my motivations and tasks for the day and give me a drive to not want to log out...not the bread crumbing tactics of trying to keep me logging in.

Any current MMO that has these sort of systems to me appear desperate and not confident in the merit and foundation principles of their game.

Dear Intrepid, do not fall for this genre trope, it will not bode well for the longevity of the game.

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

bloodprophet

One of the previous threads it was brought up that the Divine Metro Mayor is selected by how devoted they are to the Metro. Unless they come up with some unique cool way to do this daily quests might be the answer.
Maybe? I don't know.

Divine node governments are chosen from citizens via service oriented quests that prove faith and dedication to the node.[2][3]

Enigmatic Sage

bloodprophet wrote: »

One of the previous threads it was brought up that the Divine Metro Mayor is selected by how devoted they are to the Metro. Unless they come up with some unique cool way to do this daily quests might be the answer.
Maybe? I don't know.

Divine node governments are chosen from citizens via service oriented quests that prove faith and dedication to the node.[2][3]

religions/faith provide quests for players.
Each node type will have some sort of question mechanic for an array of different quests.
Nodes will have vassals, and those vassals in theory could be all different, so there will be opportunity for them to provide an array of quests as well.
If you're expecting it to be the same 20+ quest each day to farm currency and reputation that becomes clockwork and linear, then my guess is no, there wont be that.

Be interesting to see to the quests evolve with the nodes stage and type as the creeps in surround area will too.

Maup

Limiting content to an extend isn't sincerely bad. I do agree that dailies are a pain in the ***. However some content must be limited or a bit time based if it is a crucial part. What I was always a fan of is when lets say there's a daily quest or something like that, that the amount of times you can do it will stack, so for every day that you were able to do that quest, but you haven't done it or even didn't login your counter will stack up.

Can this be applied to everything? No absolutely not, this will bring it's own issues aswell. Yet again I don't like the idea of dailies but sometimes it needs to be done in some sort of way. I hope IF they will add dailies that they will implement it in a different way. One that doesn't give us a bad feeling if we forgot to do them one day or just straight up don't feel like doing.

Mahes

I think they have already taken a "Daily" system off the table. They are looking at trying to implement...something, but understand the disdain for the concept.

On a similar note, I do not mind rewarding players for longevity of play. A thank you for the veterans that adds nothing more than a visual element is nice.

bloodprophet

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

One of the previous threads it was brought up that the Divine Metro Mayor is selected by how devoted they are to the Metro. Unless they come up with some unique cool way to do this daily quests might be the answer.
Maybe? I don't know.

Divine node governments are chosen from citizens via service oriented quests that prove faith and dedication to the node.[2][3]

religions/faith provide quests for players.
Each node type will have some sort of question mechanic for an array of different quests.
Nodes will have vassals, and those vassals in theory could be all different, so there will be opportunity for them to provide an array of quests as well.
If you're expecting it to be the same 20+ quest each day to farm currency and reputation that becomes clockwork and linear, then my guess is no, there wont be that.

Be interesting to see to the quests evolve with the nodes stage and type as the creeps in surround area will too.

Agreed will be interesting to see what they do.
However if a Divine metro has been there for 6 months or more everyone trying to be mayor will have done all the quest lines and so forth. So now we need to ask what now? How do people continue to show alligance to the node or does the mayorship just change hands every 30 days because there are no more quests to be done.
Hopefully they come up with a good answer other then daily quests.

Uncommon Sense

Let me just add some further clarification to what I mean by dailies.

Having tasks available through the node system on a 24hr time loop as a community building exercise is not what I was really referring to. even having roaming NPC daily quest givers...though that's about the as far as I could tolerate.

When i say no chores, I don't mean not farming,crafting,fishing, gathering and mercenary work etc.

I refer to the the Login busy work and imbued tasks most current mainstream MMOs employ.

The primary issue is the login open popup tab window (accept) checklist types of daily quests. Messy interface types of daily quests. The log in no effort participation reward type quests. Or any obligatory login task that implies a forced action due to a FOMO but detracts from your actual personal play drive and motivation.

Guli

i agree with the login reward, but i still think there should be some form of dailies. some kind of niche dailies wouldnt hurt imo.

TriggerTec

Guli wrote: »

i agree with the login reward, but i still think there should be some form of dailies. some kind of niche dailies wouldnt hurt imo.

As long as they dont feel forced or like chores, I agree on this. I think they have a lot of opportunities to do this with the Node system, but its really just going to come down to their implementation.

Login rewards are meh to me. I don't like the idea of users simply logging in once for a reward or a streak, simply to log back out. Idk, thats just me.

Jxshuwu

TheBlazedAce wrote: »

Guli wrote: »

i agree with the login reward, but i still think there should be some form of dailies. some kind of niche dailies wouldnt hurt imo.

As long as they dont feel forced or like chores, I agree on this. I think they have a lot of opportunities to do this with the Node system, but its really just going to come down to their implementation.

Login rewards are meh to me. I don't like the idea of users simply logging in once for a reward or a streak, simply to log back out. Idk, thats just me.

Login rewards are terrible, but daily tasks to fulfill certain jobs you as a player chose are good!
I think i mentioned it in another comment, but things like if you choose to grow herbs for potions, you'd have to water plants daily for them to grow. Or milking cows if you need milk, etcetc.

Vhaeyne

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

I refer to the the Login busy work and imbued tasks most current mainstream MMOs employ.

The primary issue is the login open popup tab window (accept) checklist types of daily quests. Messy interface types of daily quests. The log in no effort participation reward type quests. Or any obligatory login task that implies a forced action due to a FOMO but detracts from your actual personal play drive and motivation.

Agreed with your definition.

Anything like this is a attack on player agency and should be fought vigorously. It is not just about FOMO it is about having the freedom to do the things I want to do without the game telling me what I ought to do.

maouw

I think the competitive aspect to "weeklies" in a Religious Node has potential for more interesting repetitive questing such as:

Each player is given a crystal that absorbs the life essence of _______ this week. You can fill the crystal, and hand it in for another empty crystal to fill. The player who submits the most filled crystals recieves a commendation. You can PvP other players and loot their crystal to fill your own. The total number of crystals submitted becomes a resource that the Religious node uses to do something.
A bounty is placed on the life essence of ________ Dungeon Boss. You must collect the corresponding Boss crystal from an NPC in the node, slay the Dungeon Boss and return with the crystal. The first person to return with a charged Boss crystal receives a commendation.
There is a traditional pilgrimmage with say ~20(?) Elders situated around a node. The first person to visit 5 Elders and receive their blessing receives a commendation. The Catch: Each Elder has a randomized quest, and will only allow 1 person to attempt the quest at a time - so popular Elders will have longer queues, and harder-to-reach Elders will have shorter queues. You can sabotage other players by commencing an Elder's quest and never completing the quest, so the queue doesn't move. You will probably get murdered for doing this.
At the end of 3 (?) hours, all players who hold a commendation compete in a final decider that crowns the Mayor of the Node.

When it's a competition the stakes are much higher and you can use that to add spice to the quests.

Lightofgenesis

I don’t think this game needs dailies in the traditional RPG sense.

This game is ever changing, so much so that playing daily impacts what happens. The “dailies” in this game will be your farming of goods, transporting them, and contributing to node development. This isn’t a game where you level
1-50 and by the time you cap everything is done, and it’s time to raid.

Even at level cap you cannot neglect your node, and you will be engaging in all the content they have planned daily to thrive, you won’t miss these “daily quests”.

Enigmatic Sage

bloodprophet wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

One of the previous threads it was brought up that the Divine Metro Mayor is selected by how devoted they are to the Metro. Unless they come up with some unique cool way to do this daily quests might be the answer.
Maybe? I don't know.

Divine node governments are chosen from citizens via service oriented quests that prove faith and dedication to the node.[2][3]

religions/faith provide quests for players.
Each node type will have some sort of question mechanic for an array of different quests.
Nodes will have vassals, and those vassals in theory could be all different, so there will be opportunity for them to provide an array of quests as well.
If you're expecting it to be the same 20+ quest each day to farm currency and reputation that becomes clockwork and linear, then my guess is no, there wont be that.

Be interesting to see to the quests evolve with the nodes stage and type as the creeps in surround area will too.

Agreed will be interesting to see what they do.
However if a Divine metro has been there for 6 months or more everyone trying to be mayor will have done all the quest lines and so forth. So now we need to ask what now? How do people continue to show alligance to the node or does the mayorship just change hands every 30 days because there are no more quests to be done.
Hopefully they come up with a good answer other then daily quests.

from my understanding it's based on your rank of faith. so the one who is most faithful gets rule it. Maybe there will be a way to gain and lose faith experience based on your actions and results in open world activities. There are multiple faiths provided from temples that can be upkept via shrines as well.

In example:

gaining corruption or killing corrupted players could alter your faith points, maintaining religious buffs (prayers and shrines), winning/losing battles such as wars, caravans, arena. Could be quite interesting with the level of depth from religious via a karma and conditions setting

also, guilds will be able to assign quests as well for players to pick up. Perhaps they'll have a diverse and in-depth selections of choices for those guilds for PvX, node type and maybe even some sort of influence on quests based on guild levels, perks, etc.

Could be very cool!

consultant

Well while I do not paritcularly like dailies it kind of depends on intent. Dailies that are obviously put in game to keep people logging in every day usually pretty annoying. But I was playing Runescape and in that game one of the dialies is going around collecting butterflies. Butter flies fly around in a random pattern so kind of hard to click on them kind of like a mini game. Really just something to do not so reward oriented (actually never completed quest just found out about it) Think dailies like this are ok. Or ounce yhou completed all the quests in the area then you can do some dialies in the zone if you really like to quest in that zone.

Really depends on the intent of the dialies they do not have to neccessarily used as a carrot to make players feel like they have to log in.

PoliceGirl

@Asgerr "But would you do it for a CANNON? I hear bit**es love cannons?

OH HELL THE PHFFFFFT YAH!
Dood, /like ur post for making me laugh out of nowhere!

Pce!

Blip

I AGREE!
No Dailies. No Chores.!

bulletbillx

I am of the same mind that I hate being forced to do something but at the same time sometimes it is nice to know, oh I gotta go do this. I really like the BFA weekly turn in quests where you basically had to turn in some random item that sometimes had little to no value, only the quest gave them value. I am cool with this type of daily/weekly quest because it can change the economy and make things more interesting for gold makers.

Alvalon

Definitely agree with this. Manipulation in form of daily quests to force people to log in is not good. It creates a pressure on a player who might want to log in anyways but because his / hers mind might be thinking about the dailys, they might not even enjoy the true core content!

As Steven somewhere said - it is not a quote but meaning was somewhat similar - make a quality content and people will come by themselves, they dont need to be manipulated into spending the time and money ingame by other tactics.

Saedu

-No login rewards for sure.
-If there is dailies, then the reward should be low. About the same as a regular quest (e.g. some gold/xp, maybe some crafting materials or a common item). There should not be any extra reward for consecutive days. They should not be for any sort of special currency you are trying to grind out. In other words, they are something for you to do if you log in and like questing, but not in any way mandatory for progression.
-Weekly quests can be more rewarding and tied to some sort of progression, but not so taxing that if you miss a week you're forever behind (catchup mechanics for missed weeklies is great, especially if anyone's doing an alt). I'd still prefer the weekly quests just give better optional rewards (i.e. more gold/crafting materials than a regular quest, but 100% optional).

True end game progression should be tied to completing hard things, not just grinding out simple quests every day.

Starcry

The problem with dailies is part of the reward and progression system is designed around them, thus integrating them into the core gameplay loop. So chores in essence have become an integral part of the design of the content. The reason this occurred is because it simply replaced other forms of less entertaining content to keep people engaged. Instead of long grinds with minimal payoff, there is instant gratification for people with less time on their hands. The issue is, what do you replace Daily Quests with?

What's missing in current mmorpg's is the reason to log in for fun or meaningful time spent. What needs to happen is, we should want to log in because something in the game loop is craving us to have the next good time, and not for it to be an errand so you can get something to eventually display. The daily grind for vanity items in video games just boggles my mind and its why I'm just outright tired of most mmo's in the current market. Save for a some key moments in a few games, most games just feel hollow and lacking a good reason to play them. Mounts and pets, and good outfits are nice but honestly, that's not what makes games fun, at least for me. Its the design philosophy that is meant for multiple possibilities so the time investment doesn't feel like its a chore but something you actually are excited to go do and lose yourself in. I have fallen into the daily trap and will not play the systems in a game that want me to go down that route because its just not fun and it takes away the time that should be spent on the more fun aspects in the game.

Child Item