Death Penalty - What do we want?

If you die, should you lose experience? Gathering Materials? Lose your subscription?!

What is your opinion on death penalties? If no, why? If yes, in what way shape or form?

In my opinion, if the death Penalty Is too high, it promotes safe gameplay, which leads to boring gameplay. Risk taking is fun, it makes our heart race, it creates memories and experiences.

I think the death penalty should exist, but not cost more than a couple I'd minutes in drawback.

What do you think?

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Saedu

It seems like the concern is always that not having a harsh death penalty means that the death is not taking an emotional toll on the player. As someone who is always running war mode in WoW I can tell you every death sucks. It means I lost and thats what matters most. Harsh penalties just add insult to injury and move the game out of the "fun" category to the "this is a job" category.

I don't need a harsh penalty to try to avoid death. Harsh penalties will just cause people to not want to take risks (big pulls, hard bosses, pvp, etc) and that will just make things more boring. I'd much rather have fun trying to see how much I could pull and aoe down, than go one pack at a time to play it safe.

I like to try to do the hardest content I can. I find that more enjoyable than just playing it safe all the time.

Noaani

Saedu wrote: »

It seems like the concern is always that not having a harsh death penalty means that the death is not taking an emotional toll on the player. As someone who is always running war mode in WoW I can tell you every death sucks. It means I lost and thats what matters most. Harsh penalties just add insult to injury and move the game out of the "fun" category to the "this is a job" category.

Soft penalties mean many players will use death as a convenience - or simply won't care at all about it.

This is one reason why no MMO is able to suit every MMO player.

Leonerdo

Yaku wrote: »

Finding balance on this aspect of the game is certainly not easy because it requires either a compromise (what we currently have) or else it requires that Intrepid favor one portion of the player-base over another. Each of the people arguing for a more severe penalty or a minimally-severe penalty seem to be transparently advocating for a system that favors their style of gaming rather than what is best for the game and the community as a whole. I'd like to see more suggestions on what might improve the death-penalty system for all players without sacrificing one aspect of the player-base.

My position is that you shouldn't lose any long-term progress from death (no XP/gear loss) by default. Certainly not for standard open world grinding/questing/exploration. But I think more punishing game-modes that deviate from the norm are possible in AoC, in specific circumstances. That's my compromise to appease both ends of the player spectrum.

Like contested zones or wilderness areas that have higher death penalties are an easy (but uninspired) example. Or putting rogue-like dungeon-delving side content in the game can scratch that high-risk itch for people too. As long as it has it's own progression systems that you can advance, risk, and lose, independent of the open world. Or of course, becoming corrupted and playing as an outlaw is already an option.

Enigmatic Sage

to be honest, I personally like where their current plans are for it with the flagging and combatants components.

Jxshuwu

There's all sorts of MMO's and every MMO cater to a different kind of player.
But i believe that in an MMO there should be room for both some casual stuff and hardcore/high difficulty things. So maybe it should be no more than just losing a % of durability, a set amount of resources (Like, you lose 20 resources and it randomly gambles if you lose 20 ore or 20 wood for example) and some experience.

Could also make it punishing by having to do a little task, for example, you spawn at a respawn point and before you can do anything, you need to visit a healer in town to make you battle-ready again which takes a minute or two.

OR There can be a mode like the ironman mode in RS (But different) where you toggle the more hardcore mode, where you risk more and lose more when you die. This isn't my favourite idea, but its an option they can consider or give their own twist to.

All in all, my personal preference would be something that isn't frustrating, i understand that many people enjoy more difficult things, but it could cause the gameplay to be extremely frustrating for others. A big setback would not be enjoyable for me personally. Losing some durability and having to repair it and lose some gold is already good enough for me.

achereto

I think losing gathered and processed material is a good measure as a penalty. This way you can manage your inventory in a way that you play very risky and when you gathered a lot of material you'll have some incentive to play safer the more material you have. With this system players will play as risky as they are comfortable to play and in full control of what is at stake in case they fail.

nilv

To me the numbers or what you are losing don’t matter. The only thing that matters is how you are feeling after dying. If the feeling like “whatever I'm just going to go again and die because it won’t matter anyway” Then that’s a shitty system. When you die in a MMORPG you need to feel the pain and suffering, and it needs to make you question if you want to go again and get killed or do something less risky. I think the current planned death penalties are really good, and hopefully those go through into the live game.

Also just losing the fight isn't big enough penalty at all. Specially when you talking about more PvP centric players. We are not playing for some kind of ELO after all

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Jxshuwu

nilv wrote: »

To me the numbers or what you are losing don’t matter. The only thing that matters is how you are feeling after dying. If the feeling like “whatever I'm just going to go again and die because it won’t matter anyway” Then that’s a shitty system. When you die in a MMORPG you need to feel the pain and suffering, and it needs to make you question if you want to go again and get killed or do something less risky. I think the current planned death penalties are really good, and hopefully those go through into the live game.

Also just losing the fight isn't big enough penalty at all. Specially when you talking about more PvP centric players. We are not playing for some kind of ELO after all

⇻ theNILV ⇺

An upfront currency payment before going into an arena/battleground, winner takes the spoils.

Saedu

World pvp 1v1 in WoW at the moment is often 2 - 3 back to back fights with the losing player coming back and trying to challenge the winning player. You won't see losing players coming back as much when the penalties are high, especially if you just lost some power because your in xp debt.

Perhaps the losses from death should start small and ramp up? (Just durability for first death, but drop some materials if you die a second time in the next 5 mins) So people can take some risks and not play super safe mode all the time, but back out and go safe if they are dieing.

I wonder with all the risks if anyone's ever going to go out solo or just 2 player to the world. I'm all for having groups in world content, but if everything requires a group then that's a bit too much. It seems like the risk/reward isn't worth it for solo world play. A better solution might be having varying levels of difficulty in the mobs (It was a mistake when WoW removed a lot of the elite mob questing areas so players could just solo all quests). Areas with more challenging mobs could have better resource spawns as well.

CrazySwayze

What the hell is wrong with most of you guys here? Running back to your corpse is enough of a penalty? lol

I'd be for full loot at death. People should lose "Karma points" so after that they go "Red" and even loose some xp/skill points by dieing. I hope Devs dont listen to the carebears and make it another wow clone or New world desaster where pvp will be pointless or just capture the flag style. Make fighting and dying in game mean something and additionally its good for the economy in game too. Crafters wont go out of orders.

Add some safezones for new players but make top tier ressource zones free for all pvp so clans have something to fight over. Albions system is pretty good in that regard too. So please dont make this mmo the next boring game. Thx

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