The Gift of Life - Cleric Alpha One Preview

💖 Can you master the balance between life and death? ☠

Meet the Cleric and learn more about the power they wield from level 1-10 in our Alpha One preview: https://ashesofcreation.com/news/2020-11-02-the-gift-of-life-cleric-alpha-one-preview

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BobzUrUncle

Where was it stated that you cannot move while using these abilities? Just because they are not running around while showing us the abilities does not mean that you have to stay still.
I like that they were clean casts so we can see what the animations look like.

Dreoh

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Where was it stated that you cannot move while using these abilities? Just because they are not running around while showing us the abilities does not mean that you have to stay still.
I like that they were clean casts so we can see what the animations look like.

Well I guess you didn't take in what I said at all, but regardless in NONE of the gameplay footage so far does anyone move while casting, and if I was making an ability showcase or any gameplay footage I would include at least one scene of mobile-casting at LEAST once. But nowhere is any evidence of it found.

Plus, it's been stated before by the developers that they like having strong stationary abilities. I only hope that's the exception and not the rule.

Edit: I also would like to state that I know that this is early alpha and combat is still in it's early stages and things could change. It's just not very good to see that they've fleshed out so much but without a major aspect that people would like to see.

Demidreamer

There was a scene of mobile casting. Steven was on his mage in the underworld; he used his blink spell while backpedaling and went backwards. I think there has been already been consideration on the mobility front. Most are just not registering what is all happening.

Dreoh

Demidreamer wrote: »

There was a scene of mobile casting. Steven was on his mage in the underworld; he used his blink spell while backpedaling and went backwards. I think there has been already been consideration on the mobility front. Most are just not registering what is all happening.

That's not mobile casting, that's just an instant cast mobility spell...

Next you're going to tell me WoW mages are mobile casters because they also have the blink ability.
No, they have to stand still each time they have to wait for their cast bars to fill up. That's static casting.
Compared to Guild Wars 2 and other mobile games like ESO where the casters can move while the cast bar is filling WoW mages look ridiculous.

Demidreamer

yes and no for mana management purposes mages are static. For ripping someone a new one in pvp yes mages were very mobile, was a must to use arcanae explosion, frost nova, CoC, Blast wave, Dragon's breath, ice lance.... fire blast counterspell yep no instants...

Dreoh

Demidreamer wrote: »

yes and no for mana management purposes mages are static

What? That's an arbitrary rule and doesn't have to be the case. Guild Wars 2 doesn't use mana at all and mobile casters are balanced just fine. ESO has mana and mobile casters do just fine.

Demidreamer wrote: »

For ripping someone a new one in pvp yes mages were very mobile, was a must to use arcanae explosion, frost nova, CoC, Blast wave, Dragon's breath, ice lance.... fire blast counterspell

You're actually making my point for me here. Mobile combat is more engaging and requires more skill. The fact that in PvP the mages have to use all their instant cast spells on the run instead of their static stationary-cast spells should be indicative that caster combat could be handled better. If they aren't using half of their kit then half of their kit is bad.

And sure, the stationary-cast other half of their kit is ok in PvE where they don't have to move around in combat nearly as much, but that's not an excuse at all.

Demidreamer wrote: »

yep no instants...

Dunno why you said this? I never said they didn't have instants. I was saying instants don't count as mobile casting in the context of the current discussion.

Edit: Just to reiterate for you, Mobile Casting in the context of this discussion is being able to channel spell casts while running around.
For example, it would be a WoW warlock being able to cast shadowbolt while running around

Demidreamer

Dreoh wrote: »

Mobile combat is more engaging and requires more skill.

To me this shouldn't really automatically equate to greater skill. And being able to run around like a chicken with your head cut off and still being able to cast spells is a little much. I can understand why i hear of these mageballs of death. Yea pls keep mages normal, where skill is required.

Demidreamer

what comes to mind is a whole raid of mages strafing back and forth, some jumping, some not. Just hanging in range and when and individual mage gets targeted he runs away... can just imagine it now..

Dreoh

Demidreamer wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

Mobile combat is more engaging and requires more skill.

To me this shouldn't really automatically equate to greater skill. And being able to run around like a chicken with your head cut off and still being able to cast spells is a little much. I can understand why i hear of these mageballs of death. Yea pls keep mages normal, where skill is required.

Well maybe not to you, but if you think critically about it it is obvious that mobile combat is more skill-based than static combat.
You're essentially trying to tell me that players running around dodging abilities and AoE's requires less skill than standing in place just using your skill rotations. There's no way you'd ever convince me that "correctly using your skill rotations while standing still" is more skill-based than "casting spells with good positioning and moving with the flow of combat"

Demidreamer wrote: »

what comes to mind is a whole raid of mages strafing back and forth, some jumping, some not. Just hanging in range and when and individual mage gets targeted he runs away... can just imagine it now..

I'm getting the feeling you haven't played or seen any game that has mobile casting and you have a bunch of assumptions based off your limited experience playing WoW and other static-casting games.
You're acting like what I'm saying is some crazy concept that would never work, but Guild Wars 2, ESO, and many other games already do mobile casting very very well. In fact, many people consider Guild Wars 2 combat the gold standard of MMO combat, and GW2's combat is entirely mobile, constantly moving.

Your argument comes off as very disingenuous.

Demidreamer

I guess I tend to ground most of my knowledge off of D&D around the 2nd edition era when TSR was still around. Anyways when casters took an action, such as casting a spell, you were restricted to a 5 foot move in any direction before or after casting. An action phase would be 10 secs to one round of combat. If memory serves a full move would be like 60 feet (12feet human base x5), that would be a run. Spell casting is a very intricate arcane art where hand gestures had to be perfect, there was even a chance for your spell to fizzle if you were just plainly attacked and missed your roll. Point is, running and casting just didn't happen in D&D. Seems the Sandal God has a liking to D&D as well, if not more so than I since the last time i played was some 20 years ago. I would be surprised to see the mage very much different then the Iconic mage.

Maybe if one was to play around with mobile casting the archetype to have that ability should be the summoner type. Maybe the conjuration school can cross with the innate magic version of mage in D&D, the Sorcerer. Sorcerer's were not trained in the way of arts of the arcane the same way mages were. Sorcerers had an innate ability for magic, therefore maybe they don't need to use the somatic, verbal, focus. /shrug you can root for mobile casting GL

Dreoh

Demidreamer wrote: »

I guess I tend to ground most of my knowledge off of D&D around the 2nd edition era when TSR was still around. Anyways when casters took an action, such as casting a spell, you were restricted to a 5 foot move in any direction before or after casting. An action phase would be 10 secs to one round of combat. If memory serves a full move would be like 60 feet (12feet human base x5), that would be a run. Spell casting is a very intricate arcane art where hand gestures had to be perfect, there was even a chance for your spell to fizzle if you were just plainly attacked and missed your roll. Point is, running and casting just didn't happen in D&D. Seems the Sandal God has a liking to D&D as well, if not more so than I since the last time i played was some 20 years ago. I would be surprised to see the mage very much different then the Iconic mage.

Maybe if one was to play around with mobile casting the archetype to have that ability should be the summoner type. Maybe the conjuration school can cross with the innate magic version of mage in D&D, the Sorcerer. Sorcerer's were not trained in the way of arts of the arcane the same way mages were. Sorcerers had an innate ability for magic, therefore maybe they don't need to use the somatic, verbal, focus. /shrug you can root for mobile casting GL

The problem here is like I said you're restricting your opinions on the matter to your previous bias. This is not D&D, this is an MMO. This is not a turn-based strategy game, it is a real-time combat game. D&D had those rules because of how turn-based strategy has to be balanced.

Your belief that casters "shouldn't" be mobile is because your nostalgia and first impressions lead you to think that way. Nobody looks at Guild Wars 2 casters, ESO casters, Tera casters, Wildstar casters or any other mobile-casting MMO and thinks "These don't feel like mages/casters/wizards/etc."
Even though they are mobile they still feel very much like magic users.
This is why I think your argument is disingenuous. Your point comes almost entirely from bias.

And to clarify, I'm not saying they shouldn't have any rooted-cast spells, just that any rooted-cast spells should be the rare exception to the rule and be restricted to very powerful spells.

Kurgon

Of the class animations I have seen so far (Mage, Cleric, Tank), the Cleric looks the best. I really like it.

Nihilistic Zen

Hi, I'm new, first post. I've been looking over all of the class stuff and I didn't see anything for a druid. So question, no druid class?

Thanks! Game looks beautiful and I look forward to it!

MargaretKrohn

Nihilistic Zen wrote: »

Hi, I'm new, first post. I've been looking over all of the class stuff and I didn't see anything for a druid. So question, no druid class?

Thanks! Game looks beautiful and I look forward to it!

Hi there! You can find the current list of archetypes and classes here: https://ashesofcreation.com/news/class-list

There's no "Druid" by name, but there will be classes that have mechanics that we believe Druid-players will enjoy!

Songcaller

Please add magical shields to Shaman (Cleric/Summoner).

After testing the Cleric in Alpha 1 I have a request to make.

I think it would be great if the Cleric/Summoner (Shaman) can summon magical shields for their team members. I do not think summoned weapons would be as useful as magical shields. I also don't want healing output diminished by being forced to choose DPS Augment Lines and I would love the flexible approach Heals and Mitigation skills bring to the table. I believe the summoner secondary would be best placed to offer the extra support.

It would be nice if one of the summoners augment skill trees revolve around different duration magical shields. I've taken inspiration from Celestial (DCuO Healer) and also Paladin (WoW). The two inspirational aspects are not directly summoners but if anyone can summon a magical shield it would be a summoner or a summoner hybrid. in DCuO the shields would also heal during a shield duration or when the shield expires.

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