The death animation/Phoenix

Looks good but I don't like it.
Player corpses are nice and I think many, here or not, might feel the same.

Also it's too Marvelly. There will ALWAYS be that connection, a connection that breaks the 4th wall and is immersion breaking.

Suggestion:
When a player dies let it be a simple death. Let the body hit the floor. Let us loot the body.
As soon as the player hits "Respawn" let the animation with the incineration and the ashes play for a few seconds and then let the player respawn somewhere with the phoenix wings. Maintains the lore.

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Vhaeyne

VmanGman wrote: »

No that’s it. I only made one point. Did you have a hard time following the point? It’s really simple.

So petty...

Petty? Maybe?

What would you like? For me to agree that my tastes and opinions are invalid?
Obviously that is not going to happen.

"The current system makes perfect sense and your suggestion doesn’t “make more sense” within Ashes of Creation’s universe."- @VmanGman

It is like sure, neat, but that does not mean that people can't prefer something else.

Do we really have to put each others subjective tastes on trial?

VmanGman

@Vhaeyne I’m not putting your taste on trial. I’m pointing out that within the Ashes of Creation universe a person being raised from the ashes makes perfect sense. You on the other hand argued that a body being resurrected “makes more sense” than a resurrection coming from the ashes. In light of AoC’s universe and what the developers have stated that the vision is, your statement is objectively wrong.

I’m done running in circles with you... I’ve presented the facts and you refuse to acknowledge them. Have a good one.

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

There really is not much of a reason to engage with VmanGman

He was the first one on my Ignore List.

Jxshuwu

daveywavey wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

There really is not much of a reason to engage with VmanGman

He was the first one on my Ignore List.

Yeah he seems to be creating alot of tension in most popular threads, decided to just not comment on his comments for the sake of not getting into a pointless argument.

VmanGman

I have not always done a good job at discussing things on this forum and that is completely my fault, but the conversations I’ve had in the past year have been civil. I’m pointing out issues with what some people are saying... they try argue back and the tension still falls on me alone? Right. Good talk fellas.

Dreoh

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

Well now you're just being dismissive

Yeah, I well the conversation is not going anywhere.
I think I have explained myself well enough on this topic.

I said like the animation, I gave a personal opinion on what I like more, and I agreed with someone else's opinion. There really is not much of a reason to engage with @VmanGman at this point. Last time he got board and stopped.

He made a valid point opposing yours and your last 3 comments are all entirely shutting it down by saying he's misrepresenting you and such.`

It's beside the point, but I agree completely with him in that ashes reconstituting feels very in line with the lore, and also makes complete sense, though I do also like the idea put forth that they only turn to ash when they revive.

Jxshuwu

VmanGman wrote: »

I have not always done a good job at discussing things on this forum and that is completely my fault, but the conversations I’ve had in the past year have been civil. I’m pointing out issues with what some people are saying... they try argue back and the tension still falls on me alone? Right. Good talk fellas.

You don't do it in a civil way, sorry to say. You can discuss things whilst remaining neutral, the way you type seems a little more.. hostile? You look at what people type, disagree and then make a passive-agressive remark at them instead of discussing it civilly and perhaps asking why they have that opinion etc.

Examples:

I guess my suggestion is, next time just try to ask yourself what they meant by it before just acting passive-aggressive and throwing snarky comments at them. In general you just seem very negative and you seem to reply especially alot to comments you disagree with. Don't want to come accross as an asshole here, just want to genuinely inform you of how you seem to me and what i think you're doing wrong.

Vhaeyne

Dreoh wrote: »

He made a valid point opposing yours and your last 3 comments are all entirely shutting it down by saying he's misrepresenting you and such.`

It's beside the point, but I agree completely with him in that ashes reconstituting feels very in line with the lore, and also makes complete sense, though I do also like the idea put forth that they only turn to ash when they revive.

Its not a new point. I did not say this is out of line with the lore. I said it is not what I prefer. I clearly explained what I like more and makes more sense to me many times. Something so subjective needs not to be relentlessly argued. A simple: "I disagree and here is why..." would be great. A constant nagging about how Ashes is not my creation so my preferences are wrong is just silly, and to me worthy of a little dismissal.

If we ignore the fact that @VmanGman has used the worst possible interpretation of everything I have said.
All his arguments boil down to is this: Ashes is not my creation, and thus any preferences I have about how things could be different are wrong. Which is not true. There are plenty of Star Trek and Star Wars fans right now that a pretty upset about how their universes are going, and none of their feelings are invalid. Part of what excites me about ashes is the idea that it has roots in the table top games I love.

I stated that it is not normal for a custom campaign setting to do stuff like this on the material plane(Where Verra is theoretically), and from the prospective of what is normal in Pathfinder/D&D campaign settings this is a little whimsical or fantastical. I also stated that it is fine more than once.

At a some point when you have made your point clear in multiple ways there is just not much more to say. Disagreeing with others opinions is fine. When there is no attempt to be constructive about it. I have to check out. When I detect a attempt at diplomacy I will always treat it in kind, but that has not been what I have been feeling.

Biccus

Now I could be way out on my thought here but I assumed that the power of rebirth came from the god of creation, not a player casting the resurrect.

If I am on the right lines there, then the body turning to ash on respawn would make more sense to me than it being an instant thing.
Unless you’re just going to let the player channel the power of creation.

It looks cool and unique so I’m not overly concerned which direction it goes.

Vhaeyne

Biccus wrote: »

Now I could be way out on my thought here but I assumed that the power of rebirth came from the god of creation, not a player casting the resurrect.

If I am on the right lines there, then the body turning to ash on respawn would make more sense to me than it being an instant thing.
Unless you’re just going to let the player channel the power of creation.

It looks cool and unique so I’m not overly concerned which direction it goes.

Assuming that is true. It makes sense to me.
One of the issues I have with ashes at the time of death is that it makes all of our characters collectively feel like they are less vessels of flesh and more vessels of magic. We might as well all be "ash golems" with the forms of whatever race we are playing.

If it was ashes at time of resurrection. It would show both the actual rebirth, and the gods showing their presences by brining us back to life. All of this without removing flesh from the equation.

One of these is just cooler to me. They are also limiting the ability to have a corpse filled battlefield make sense. You could instead get a desert made of players "ashes" (Which is also cool in its own way), but to me not as powerful a image as a corpse filled battlefield.

Biccus

Vhaeyne wrote: »

They are also limiting the ability to have a corpse filled battlefield make sense. You could instead get a desert made of players "ashes" (Which is also cool in its own way), but to me not as powerful a image as a corpse filled battlefield.

I think the body turning to ash upon respawn would have this effect in most situations, especially in the open world. Any situation where you can’t just instantly click respawn and burst your body in to flame I would rather sit waiting in my dead body, not sit looking at my pile of ash.

I think that’s what I’m trying to say, until I respawn I want it to be my body laying there. Ash when my body is back in the world.

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

There are plenty of Star Trek and Star Wars fans right now that a pretty upset about how their universes are going, and none of their feelings are invalid.

Rhuell

I wonder how rebirth and resurrection are going to look, as far as the animation goes.

Rebirth for a phoenix is one that bursts from the ashes, so I wonder if we'll have a possible natural rebirth at the point of our death (from our own ashes as is consistent with what I know of the legend) and/ or from a respawn point that is itself a pile of ashes.

Maybe this respawn point is some sort of natural receptacle of the ashes of the fallen. So, it would still be consistent with phoenix lore.

Or, maybe it will just be similar to the phoenix, but it's own thing (Probably more likely).

I still like the idea of the player caused resurrection animation consisting of a reconstituting of our own ashes back into our humanoid form. I like the idea of the "rewind".

Archmonk

I love the animation and the lore based death.

I genuinely dont care about corpses on the ground or other methods though. Very neutral. Only main benefit I see is you can more easily tell the kind of loot you could gain from a corrupted player when they die. Again doesn't bother me either way though.

T Elf

My only worry about the new animation is how hard will it be able to be seen in tall grasses and bushes? The one shown as on a flat dirt road. I like the suggestion of the body staying until RESPAWN is hit and then the animation goes off and when they respawn they errupt from ashes in a flame that shoots up.

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