Angel and demon racial skin

Hey

I hope i placed this in the right place. Personally i am curious if there is at any point going to be a preview of what that angel and demon racial skin some of the kickstart packs mention looks like.

Is there any info on those so far?

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maouw

Voila:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Racial_skins

Concept art is there.
Most models have been true to their concept art.
(Props to the modellers!!)

Khronus

Unfortunately I joined last July. Those skins are making me jealous AF.

CR0WN

I worry about the flashiness and immersion on some of this stuff. I think a lot of it looks great just worry about how its going to actually look when we're out traveling the world and your buddy named Stonecoldsteve shows up with a demon skin. Fornite vibes.

Archeon

crownofthorns wrote: »

I worry about the flashiness and immersion on some of this stuff. I think a lot of it looks great just worry about how its going to actually look when we're out traveling the world and your buddy named Stonecoldsteve shows up with a demon skin. Fornite vibes.

This is quite literally the most worrying aspect of development for me atm, the game looks incredible in all other aspects, and I am so excited for it.... but what happened to the realism?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Gear_appearance
"We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[4] – Jeffrey Bard"

How is this game going to feel even slightly immersive leveling in the starting zones next to an angel or demon...

Nagash

Archeon wrote: »

crownofthorns wrote: »

I worry about the flashiness and immersion on some of this stuff. I think a lot of it looks great just worry about how its going to actually look when we're out traveling the world and your buddy named Stonecoldsteve shows up with a demon skin. Fornite vibes.

This is quite literally the most worrying aspect of development for me atm, the game looks incredible in all other aspects, and I am so excited for it.... but what happened to the realism?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Gear_appearance
"We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[4] – Jeffrey Bard"

How is this game going to feel even slightly immersive leveling in the starting zones next to an angel or demon...

the same could be said about any cosmetic item

Archeon

Nagash wrote: »

the same could be said about any cosmetic item

Actually... It absolutely could not... at all,

it is fairly easy to create cosmetics which in some way look authentic to the world or realistic especially given the visual flavour they have already introduced to the world.

Trying to establish a false equivalency between what could be some cool looking; realistic Pyrian or Dünirn armour which speaks to the lore and universe around it, to quite literally looking like an angel or demon is beyond ridiculous...

Vhaeyne

Archeon wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

the same could be said about any cosmetic item

Actually... It absolutely could not... at all,

it is fairly easy to create cosmetics which in some way look authentic to the world or realistic especially given the visual flavour they have already introduced to the world.

Trying to establish a false equivalency between what could be some cool looking; realistic Pyrian or Dünirn armour which speaks to the lore and universe around it, to quite literally looking like an angel or demon is beyond ridiculous...

Immersion exists on a scale ranging from pong to "Are we living in a simulation?" Ashes is a world where I can ride my snail-boi horse into battle and slap someone with a sword and turn them into a pile of ashes. A handful of people looking like an angel or deamon is par for the course. It may be a little less realistic than I initially wanted myself, but it is not beyond "ridiculous".

Archeon

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Immersion exists on a scale ranging from pong to "Are we living in a simulation?" Ashes is a world where I can ride my snail-boi horse into battle and slap someone with a sword and turn them into a pile of ashes. A handful of people looking like an angel or deamon is par for the course. It may be a little less realistic than I initially wanted myself, but it is not beyond "ridiculous".

Well I mean given that new cosmetics are released monthly and have been for years, the prevalence of them within the player base is fairly clear, they are obviously profitable and consistently purchased or why would they be produced? The reality is cosmetics won’t be the exception they will be the norm, and yet the universe is slated as medieval high fantasy, in none of the promotional videos do they show the players using them so the quasi-realism is the intent however cosmetic abundance will be the reality. If the intention is that we will see players running around as angels and demons then why don’t the promotional videos show it...

The reality is simply that the monetisation of skins has caused a scope creep in artistic intent, it happens in games all the time when profit is there... I mean compare wow classic to wow retail.

My point is this needs to be addressed and redressed through a button to disable store bought aesthetics with them being disabled being the default.

Either that or the promotional videos need to start reflecting the reality and showing every second character using immersion breaking unrealistic cosmetics...

Nagash

Archeon wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

the same could be said about any cosmetic item

Actually... It absolutely could not... at all,

it is fairly easy to create cosmetics which in some way look authentic to the world or realistic especially given the visual flavour they have already introduced to the world.

Trying to establish a false equivalency between what could be some cool looking; realistic Pyrian or Dünirn armour which speaks to the lore and universe around it, to quite literally looking like an angel or demon is beyond ridiculous...

And what is to say the angel and demon skins are not authentic to the world?

Also, you have seen some of the items realised so far? some o these fit the theme

Vhaeyne

Archeon wrote: »

The reality is simply that the monetisation of skins has caused a scope creep in artistic intent, it happens in games all the time when profit is there... I mean compare wow classic to wow retail.

I would say be grateful for the monetization system Ashes has chosen. Even WOW a titan of the industry allowed itself to get bought by activation. The success of the monthly cosmetics allows them to stay financially independent in a cut throat industry. It is about more than profit, it is about them being able to afford to make the game we all want. Without the monthly cosmetics they might have to turn to outside interests to fund the game or allow themselves to get bought out. Which would lead to a worst cash shop and give the DEVs less creative freedom of their game.

The immersion is still going to be greater than pong but less than the simulation we may be living it. I know the cosmetics are not ideal, but it is better to me than the alternative. See ArcheAge... ArcheAge Unchained, Lineage 2 classic...

Rhuell

Is there a way to determine how many individual users have purchased cosmetic items?

If so, great, we can get an accurate understanding of how many people are going to have cosmetics.

If not, i'ma guesstimate now. In the grand scheme of potential player base, fewer than you think. Most people who end up playing this game are going to be those who did not purchase the monthly cosmetics.

On top of that, there are going to be head start exclusive servers which will include any of the founders (for now) who want to get in the game a few days early to test the game's launch. (From what I understand, these head start servers will not be available for players who do not have founder status). These founders will all have cosmetics and probably include a solid chunk of the cosmetic purchasing population.

So, I don't think this is going to be quite as noticeable as some people are making it out to be.

And even if it is, I guess you can always consider some of these sets to be pre Verra. Our characters did have lives before coming here, after all.

insaneloli

All i know is that i plan on making an skeleton summoning necromancer but use the angel racial skin for the perfect contrast.

Nagash

insaneloli wrote: »

All i know is that i plan on making an skeleton summoning necromancer but use the angel racial skin for the perfect contrast.

That sounds amazing

FutureCultLeader

Yeh so logging in and immediately seeing a demon ride a big fluffy teddy bear is about as trash korean MMO as you can probably get.

The most concerning thing is, it's still early on in devlopment, so plenty more opportunities to make the game feel like a childs toy pit.

Nagash

FutureCultLeader wrote: »

Yeh so logging in and immediately seeing a demon ride a big fluffy teddy bear is about as trash korean MMO as you can probably get.

The most concerning thing is, it's still early on in devlopment, so plenty more opportunities to make the game feel like a childs toy pit.

Just blame it on magic

Azryil

Nagash wrote: »

FutureCultLeader wrote: »

Yeh so logging in and immediately seeing a demon ride a big fluffy teddy bear is about as trash korean MMO as you can probably get.

The most concerning thing is, it's still early on in devlopment, so plenty more opportunities to make the game feel like a childs toy pit.

Just blame it on magic

Magic is always the answer.

Dreoh

FutureCultLeader wrote: »

Yeh so logging in and immediately seeing a demon ride a big fluffy teddy bear is about as trash korean MMO as you can probably get.

The most concerning thing is, it's still early on in devlopment, so plenty more opportunities to make the game feel like a childs toy pit.

I'm with you on this.

Adding these kinds of cosmetics is always the start of a slippery slope, and it seems AoC is starting on the slope from the get go.

We'll just have to wait and see how prominent it is.

Edit: To top it off, the mere existence of these kind of "racial skins" makes racial identity much less of a factor.
"I chose elf but really I'm angel because skin"

It's such a terrible look on IS and AoC and is really the only thing so far that actually worries me, because if they are being this nonchalant about racial and mount (via mount skins) immersion then where else are they going to slowly push that envelope?

I'd like to say they're smart and are going to limit themselves, but I asked in the last Q and A about how strict to the Art Bible the artists have to be and my answer was "they have lots of personal leeway".
So essentially at each step of the creation process, a team member has the chance to add in some kind of personal flavour that could further expand what is considered "right" for the world until we have a jumbled mess. A bit hyperbolic maybe, but still a valid concern.

insaneloli

Well to be fair overall the amount of people with that skin is going to be a minority in the game and i am not aware of any other racial skins existing.

Dreoh

That's very true, but even the monthly cosmetics seem to expand what could be considered native to Verra every month.

We just recently had "British formal attire" and "Corgi" as a cosmetic.

Nelirya

Dreoh wrote: »

That's very true, but even the monthly cosmetics seem to expand what could be considered native to Verra every month.

We just recently had "British formal attire" and "Corgi" as a cosmetic.

I thought that the dress in that months cosmetic was absolutely beautiful! So yeah, people clearly do have different opinions and tastes. I personally am very happy that IS has decided not to cater to only one set style, either very realistic or completely over-the-top bikini style. I appreciate variety.

As to whether or not a specific style can be considered "native to Verra" I think Steven and the IS team are better judges of this than we are.

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