April 30th post Livestream discussion

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Ramirez

mcstackerson wrote: »

I liked the mount info. I don't remember it being confirmed before but i like that mounts will be summoned into the world and then you can get on them. Sounds similar to how AA's mounts work. Only thing i'm a little curious about is if there will be any limitations around it.

Will you be able to have as many mounts on you at want at one time or will it be limited in some way? I kind of like the idea of it being limited in some way, like you can only have one mount equipped at a time and you can only equip mounts at a stables or warehouse.

I didn't watch the stream, but there is ways to lose your mount? Like they die ir can be drop when you die? Or they are permanent

dewan58

Asgerr wrote: »

[*] Raid bosses > look really cool but mechanics seem basic and they seemed to go down way too quick
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Not really expecting a "world" boss to go overboard with mechanics. I know, this is the siege event that is technically instanced. It seems like a tuning pass hasn't really been done as they made it sound like the bosses have just recently been designed / created.

Asgerr

Ramirez wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

I liked the mount info. I don't remember it being confirmed before but i like that mounts will be summoned into the world and then you can get on them. Sounds similar to how AA's mounts work. Only thing i'm a little curious about is if there will be any limitations around it.

Will you be able to have as many mounts on you at want at one time or will it be limited in some way? I kind of like the idea of it being limited in some way, like you can only have one mount equipped at a time and you can only equip mounts at a stables or warehouse.

I didn't watch the stream, but there is ways to lose your mount? Like they die ir can be drop when you die? Or they are permanent

It seems like that won't be the case for normal mounts. They'll die in combat and after a cooldown period you'll be able to summon them again.

Some Royal mounts however, once you mount them for the first time, they'll have something like a 45 day lifespan before they're good and gone and you have to somehow achieve them again.

Asgerr

dewan58 wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

[*] Raid bosses > look really cool but mechanics seem basic and they seemed to go down way too quick
.

Not really expecting a "world" boss to go overboard with mechanics. I know, this is the siege event that is technically instanced. It seems like a tuning pass hasn't really been done as they made it sound like the bosses have just recently been designed / created.

I certainly hope so. Because for the Forest Dragon and the Ice Dragon it mostly seemed to come down to: DPS it and dodge puddles. And the Forest one died in under 5 minutes.

The Fire Dragon did seem to have more interesting mechanics to avoid wipes.

Sathrago

Honestly I don't understand why 3 dragons are randomly sitting outside someones castle to be killed, elder ones no less. Makes me think of league of legends and I don't like that.

Shoelid

Asgerr wrote: »

dewan58 wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

[*] Raid bosses > look really cool but mechanics seem basic and they seemed to go down way too quick
.

Not really expecting a "world" boss to go overboard with mechanics. I know, this is the siege event that is technically instanced. It seems like a tuning pass hasn't really been done as they made it sound like the bosses have just recently been designed / created.

I certainly hope so. Because for the Forest Dragon and the Ice Dragon it mostly seemed to come down to: DPS it and dodge puddles. And the Forest one died in under 5 minutes.

The Fire Dragon did seem to have more interesting mechanics to avoid wipes.

I recall them saying that the dragons on A1 release will have more mechanics than they did on stream. That probably means they'll get a health pool pass as well.

Ramirez

Asgerr wrote: »

Ramirez wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

I liked the mount info. I don't remember it being confirmed before but i like that mounts will be summoned into the world and then you can get on them. Sounds similar to how AA's mounts work. Only thing i'm a little curious about is if there will be any limitations around it.

Will you be able to have as many mounts on you at want at one time or will it be limited in some way? I kind of like the idea of it being limited in some way, like you can only have one mount equipped at a time and you can only equip mounts at a stables or warehouse.

I didn't watch the stream, but there is ways to lose your mount? Like they die ir can be drop when you die? Or they are permanent

It seems like that won't be the case for normal mounts. They'll die in combat and after a cooldown period you'll be able to summon them again.

Some Royal mounts however, once you mount them for the first time, they'll have something like a 45 day lifespan before they're good and gone and you have to somehow achieve them again.

I was asking because the game have a breeding system so if mounts can`t be lost or died how Will be the economy for them? Like in Albion , they are really expansive and there is an strong economy around mounts because you can lose them in pvp

Vhaeyne

Sathrago wrote: »

Honestly I don't understand why 3 dragons are randomly sitting outside someones castle to be killed, elder ones no less. Makes me think of league of legends and I don't like that.

I am assuming it is for testing purposes only, and not to be a part of the final game. Those dragons might be moved to real locations at a later time or reworked.

It did seem strange to me too though.

Dygz

Sathrago wrote: »

Honestly I don't understand why 3 dragons are randomly sitting outside someones castle to be killed, elder ones no less. Makes me think of league of legends and I don't like that.

Because we're testing an Alpha.

Noaani

Shoelid wrote: »

02:04:40 in the VOD.

Cool thanks, will check them both out when I get a free few minutes in the next day or so.

Khronus

Dygz wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Honestly I don't understand why 3 dragons are randomly sitting outside someones castle to be killed, elder ones no less. Makes me think of league of legends and I don't like that.

Because we're testing an Alpha.

It's crazy to me that people are whining about the most irrelevant things right now.

Easy world bosses = we are IN ALPHA ONE, why would they show all mechanics, why would they have fully fleshed out world boss fights right now, we're watching a raid and they are using cheats to be able to showcase the visuals, we are watching a raid that is open world but get this...there are no enemies to counter them right now. Choose one or all of these.

Why are there dragons in front of a castle waiting to be destroyed? I don't know...maybe because this is their game and they can place their dragons wherever they want? haha. For real though......put every dragon in an old cave filled with mountains of gold or else this game is going to feel like League....and that dude doesn't like that.

People are already talking about multiple alts and are crying about their cosmetics needing to be allocated to a specific character. YES, this is amazing. Encouraging SINGLE CHARACTER play is legit. Who you are in game will be known across the entire server. There will be blacklists. You can't sit in town and experience the entire game in AoC. You MUST talk to other human beings and you MUST master your class or you just won't be as useful as someone who has.

The hardest part Intrepid has to deal with is the insane levels of toxicity the internet has created in the MMO scene. People need to take a seat and let the development team handle their shit. Clearly they are doing a phenomenal job so far.

Asgerr

Here the video they posted after the live stream with a bit more information one them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrnv249kJ0&ab_channel=AshesofCreation

tautau

There are to be 108 'regular' nodes and 15 castle nodes in AoC. From the livestream, am I correct in understanding that mercenary guards for caravans will ONLY be available for the 15 castle nodes?

Thanks, TT

Dygz

I thought funding for mercenaries come from the Castle taxes, but any node can hire the mercenaries.
But, I need to rewatch to be sure I understood correctly.

Asgerr

The way it is explained, all if not a large number of nodes are vassals to one of the castles.

Taxes are collected by the castle owner, from all of the nodes.

Once the castle owners allocate resources towards providing NPC guards/mercs, you'll be able to hire them.

If none are available, you'll have to hire players.

To quote myself:

As someone who likes the idea of being a mercenary to escort caravans, that last tidbit seems very intriguing.

In the event that no NPC mercs are allotted for by the castle ruler, I could see a revolt happening, and mercenary guilds joining in the defense of the castle so as to preserve the demand for their services.

Sathrago

Khronus wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Honestly I don't understand why 3 dragons are randomly sitting outside someones castle to be killed, elder ones no less. Makes me think of league of legends and I don't like that.

Because we're testing an Alpha.

It's crazy to me that people are whining about the most irrelevant things right now.

Why are there dragons in front of a castle waiting to be destroyed? I don't know...maybe because this is their game and they can place their dragons wherever they want? haha. For real though......put every dragon in an old cave filled with mountains of gold or else this game is going to feel like League....and that dude doesn't like that.

Bro, you need to chill. I was not whining, I said I found it odd and it confused me. It does not make sense for them to be "testing" them both in the same instance as it would muddy the water on how the real scenario plays out when either the dragons are not there to be killed for the buff or the siege is there for the dragons to be fought over for.

Why dragons and not siege equipment or supply caravans to thwart? If its about a siege test let it be a siege test. if it's about an open world boss test, let it be that. The weird mixing of the two just seems odd and not beneficial for a proper testing of either scenario.

But hey if they feel like mixing this crap together will work out then whatever, I just found it odd and reminiscent of league of legends.

Drachenpaladin

mechanic looks basic but it's ok if you need them as gruop for buffs befor wartime.
But at the poisen Dragon as example it is not so important if someone cleaning and whitch player does this right? If so i think nobody does this and clean this only by dodge some other spells.

So you can give the 1st one get aggro from boss gets a buff and his focus is doing the cleaning job. Or a healer have to give someone a spell to protect/reduce the poisendamage so he cleans the area and helps protecting the group vor DMG / the healer from getting out of mana

Same by the icedragon:
if someone freezes to ice they have to melt free with a firespell or by a meelehit from dragon so your tank can free himself only by holding aggro
if they not free there group and the ice ends they get a lot of dmg by this

by firedragon
maybe get a 2nd tank that pull the firedragon away from party because he does a lot of dmg and its hard to fight pure fire

for me mechanics are important for bossfights so you can learn them wiht our guild and have something to do and not simple only DPS till its over
there will alway be guys who want it fast and ceasy by doing only DMG and recrute high gear player only - this is ok. But if there are players with little less gear who wants to catch up they can go the hard and fast way instead of grinding days

Khronus

@Sathrago I lumped your comment into my own rant of how childish people are acting over irrelevant things. I apologize. This game has me more excited than any other game to have ever been released so I try to speak passionately while also squashing some of the BS we are forced to read from some people on these forums. Opinions are great but opinions that lead towards the shit MMOs we have today are not acceptable imo.

My biggest fear is that this MMO will eventually come out but will be too late for the type of people in the community. Looking back at vanilla wow, there was never an issue with people whining about things. We explored a vast new world, made friends, min/maxed a pretty bad ass system and overall had such an amazing experience that it paved the way for it's own success while Blizzard decayed itself from the inside.

With AoC bringing back so much of what a great mmo should be, it would be very terrible to have it ruined by a community that does nothing but complain until things get nerfed or added. "QOL" updates turning into flying mounts for everyone, fast travel all over, removing the cosmetic shop because Joe Blow doesn't know my cosmetic covered Emu came from a mysterious land far far away.

Asgerr

Khronus wrote: »

@Sathrago I lumped your comment into my own rant of how childish people are acting over irrelevant things. I apologize. This game has me more excited than any other game to have ever been released so I try to speak passionately while also squashing some of the BS we are forced to read from some people on these forums. Opinions are great but opinions that lead towards the shit MMOs we have today are not acceptable imo.

My biggest fear is that this MMO will eventually come out but will be too late for the type of people in the community. Looking back at vanilla wow, there was never an issue with people whining about things. We explored a vast new world, made friends, min/maxed a pretty bad ass system and overall had such an amazing experience that it paved the way for it's own success while Blizzard decayed itself from the inside.

With AoC bringing back so much of what a great mmo should be, it would be very terrible to have it ruined by a community that does nothing but complain until things get nerfed or added. "QOL" updates turning into flying mounts for everyone, fast travel all over, removing the cosmetic shop because Joe Blow doesn't know my cosmetic covered Emu came from a mysterious land far far away.

Damned Emus always the cause of all the problems. Just ask the Aussies, they even lost a war against them.

As for my own complaints about the raid bosses, if anything I would have liked them to feel stronger. No nerfs needed.
In the second run through of the bosses they posted (reposted here by me) the fight does seem to take longer and that more players are somewhat struggling. So that gives me more confidence that it's not just about pressing all your DPS buttons and wait fewer than 5 minutes to win.

As for the idea that no one complained about vanilla wow, I would partially disagree. If many of the changes that were implemented happened, it was because there was a large enough subset of players that complained.
You also need to consider, that for many, they were kids playing their first MMO ever. So many people didn't complain, because they didn't know what to ask for or what to compare it with. Had they had more knowledge, I assure you someone would have said: "I prefer how X functions better in this other game".

Also no one complaining about bad game design because they don't know better, doesn't make the game good.

As for everything else, I agree that most people seem to fall under the "twitch chat" archetype. People on the chat on Friday were a demonstration of the kinda guy that just drops in, sees pretty game, wants to throw money at it without knowing what's going on, then complains and tears the game down, not recognizing their own faults.

People think like this, but aren't honest about it:

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Sathrago

Khronus wrote: »

@Sathrago I lumped your comment into my own rant of how childish people are acting over irrelevant things. I apologize. This game has me more excited than any other game to have ever been released so I try to speak passionately while also squashing some of the BS we are forced to read from some people on these forums. Opinions are great but opinions that lead towards the shit MMOs we have today are not acceptable imo.

My biggest fear is that this MMO will eventually come out but will be too late for the type of people in the community. Looking back at vanilla wow, there was never an issue with people whining about things. We explored a vast new world, made friends, min/maxed a pretty bad ass system and overall had such an amazing experience that it paved the way for it's own success while Blizzard decayed itself from the inside.

With AoC bringing back so much of what a great mmo should be, it would be very terrible to have it ruined by a community that does nothing but complain until things get nerfed or added. "QOL" updates turning into flying mounts for everyone, fast travel all over, removing the cosmetic shop because Joe Blow doesn't know my cosmetic covered Emu came from a mysterious land far far away.

Oh trust me I fully understand, I too am excited for the game and have to deal with similar issues on another game that I am hoping will be a really good MMO if given enough time. Mortal Online 2. I won't get into the details but lets just say its almost exactly like what you are dealing with except the creators of the game are starting to listen to these morons who ask for new content when basic AI and combat mechanics are not even fully realized.

I have hope for both games, more so for AoC since they don't have the track record of the peeps doing MO2 but hope nonetheless.

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