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Hey all,

As we are watching the combat style is progressing in AoC, I wanted to get everyone's opinion on what do you think of it so far?

IMO, the combat still needs more life into it. I usually get bored with a game if the combat is mostly repetitive and deals slow animation strikes.

I personally love blade and soul type of combat. What's your favorite type of combat?

Thank you all,

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Dygz

I think the animations for Ashes are a bit too fast.
KOA:Reckoning and Valheim are the speeds I prefer.
(I liked NWO speed, too)

Tacualeon

I have a radical view.
Combat is not going to be as great as it could be unless they add bonus damage from the back for all classes.

Khronus

Tacualeon wrote: »

I have a radical view.
Combat is not going to be as great as it could be unles they add bonus damage from the back for all classes.

@xManager I like what I am seeing so far. Doesn't seem to slow or too fast imo. What I am really hoping for is a smooth feel to the combat. I personally enjoyed the auto attack with abilities spun in on click that wow had. What we are seeing right now seems decent and will be tuned up as development goes on.

@Tacualeon I understand your viewpoint but think the opposite. Why even add back damage increases? If they add it for casters....now you're telling me I take additional damage because a fireball hit my back? That's silly.

Why do I need to take additional damage because a rogue is hitting me from behind? Because their skill in killing allows them to hit my weak points? Do I not have weak points in front? On the sides? come on.

No damage boosts for positioning would be ideal and easier to maintain for balancing purposes. This in turn let's the development team focusing heavily on better skills (which can then add bonus damage for positioning and also give this type of bonus to any class/skill).

George_Black

Tera Online 2011-2013

Tacualeon

Khronus wrote: »

@Tacualeon I understand your viewpoint but think the opposite. Why even add back damage increases? If they add it for casters....now you're telling me I take additional damage because a fireball hit my back? That's silly.

Tactical combat, positioning and combat flow.

Khronus wrote: »

That's silly.

Just for the unaware.
Armor is thicker in the front. You can't see or get mentally prepared for taking an impacts from the back.

neuroguy

The animations sometimes seem too exaggerated and over the top. Otherwise, hard to say without trying it first hand.

Nagash

I miss age of reckonings combat

Sathrago

neuroguy wrote: »

The animations sometimes seem too exaggerated and over the top. Otherwise, hard to say without trying it first hand.

I don't mind it I just want to know why these magically ignorant grown adults are all of a sudden twirling around defying gravity to cast basic spells like "firebolt". Gif meh loar.

George_Black

Sathrago wrote: »

neuroguy wrote: »

The animations sometimes seem too exaggerated and over the top. Otherwise, hard to say without trying it first hand.

I don't mind it I just want to know why these magically ignorant grown adults are all of a sudden twirling around defying gravity to cast basic spells like "firebolt". Gif meh loar.

Look at it like this...

This is a lv10, non-secondary flavoured attack. And the character goes into extreme effort to throw a weak fireball.

It's like watching somebody making it a big deal to lift a screw-driver. What would they do if they were asked to lift a toolbox?

A simple fireball should have a simple hand motion. A comet call should have a more extreme animation.

I am very curious to see what they will do with sword swings on warriors.
I hope they dont fill every skill with particle effects and colours, smashed grounds and sonic waves.

Sathrago

George Black wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

neuroguy wrote: »

The animations sometimes seem too exaggerated and over the top. Otherwise, hard to say without trying it first hand.

I don't mind it I just want to know why these magically ignorant grown adults are all of a sudden twirling around defying gravity to cast basic spells like "firebolt". Gif meh loar.

Look at it like this...

This is a lv10, non-secondary flavoured attack. And the character goes into extreme effort to throw a weak fireball.

It's like watching somebody making it a big deal to lift a screw-driver. What would they do if they were asked to lift a toolbox?

A simple fireball should have a simple hand motion. A comet call should have a more extreme animation.

I am very curious to see what they will do with sword swings on warriors.
I hope they dont fill every skill with particle effects and colours, smashed grounds and sonic waves.

Oh no I understand why it feels weird for people, I would just personally like to see a reason for this flamboyancy if its going to be how they do their magic on release.

Zeshio

George Black wrote: »

Look at it like this...

This is a lv10, non-secondary flavoured attack. And the character goes into extreme effort to throw a weak fireball.

It's like watching somebody making it a big deal to lift a screw-driver. What would they do if they were asked to lift a toolbox?

A simple fireball should have a simple hand motion. A comet call should have a more extreme animation.

I am very curious to see what they will do with sword swings on warriors.
I hope they dont fill every skill with particle effects and colours, smashed grounds and sonic waves.

I haven't played but I know they acknowledged the combat actions were a bit over the top and they were working on simplifying them. Hopefully once they have a more varied set of skills they can balance each based on how powerful they should be in game

Khronus

@Tacualeon This honestly sounds terrible from my perspective as a tank. I don't want to be spinning around in circles just to prevent bonus damage in PvP. PVE, I totally agree. Give bonus damage for players who are smart enough to position properly.

Tactical combat? Avoid AOE, prepare for stealth rogues, kite melee, focus-fire healers, protect your own healers, and don't focus tanks. The combat is going to be as tactical as it has always been and players will still FAIL at these basic steps even thought they have played games for 20+ years. Terrible excuse I know....but accurate AF.

Armor is thicker in the front? Are we playing escape from tarkov now? It has to be realistic in Ashes of creation? Dudes over here shooting a fireball and other dude is summoning a water elemental while fighting a flaming dragon that creates illusions of itself but my armor has to be THIN in the back? Come on.

combat flow? With your idea, combat will flow worse. I will have all ranged characters stand further back than the healers and just focus-fire each enemy since their backs will HAVE to be turned. This would not be fun fighting in lines.

It just doesn't need to be in the game at all.

Cypher

I know it’s early, I know what I’m going to say will ruffle features. It looks boring. I’ve watched every piece of media Intrepid has released. Lock target, press hotkey. Or more realistically: lock target, spam every key on the number row that’s not on cooldown. There’s needs to be more. There must be combos, strings, etc. Leave the hotbar for super powerful skills with long cooldowns. I don’t know anyone, besides those who reside on this forum, who disagree with what I’ve said.

Dygz

George Black wrote: »

This is a lv10, non-secondary flavoured attack. And the character goes into extreme effort to throw a weak

It's not extreme effort. It's just what EQNext called heroic movement. The animation is exaggerated to emphasize the heroism.

George_Black

Flying away aint heroic that's for sure

Sathrago

This conversation reminds me of a certain anime scene. The non-MC characters here.

https://youtu.be/kX7gFSqDySc

George_Black

Sathrago wrote: »

This conversation reminds me of a certain anime scene. The non-MC characters here.

https://youtu.be/kX7gFSqDySc

@LieutenantToast some feedback here for future purposes...

maouw

George Black wrote: »

Flying away aint heroic that's for sure

What if you do it into the sunset?

Tacualeon

Khronus wrote: »

@Tacualeon This honestly sounds terrible from my perspective as a tank. I don't want to be spinning around in circles just to prevent bonus damage

What you call spinning around, others call it outmanouvering.
You sound like the guy who calls contesting objetives, griefing.

Khronus wrote: »

Tactical combat? Avoid AOE, prepare for stealth rogues, kite melee, focus-fire healers, protect your own healers, and don't focus tanks. The combat is going to be as tactical as it has always been

If I wanted a combat this basic I would play something aimed toward childs.
2 decisions at the time to handle.
Niche decision vs aoe
Niche decision vs melee.
Even more niche decision vs rogue.

Khronus wrote: »

Armor is thicker in the front? Are we playing escape from tarkov now? It has to be realistic in Ashes of creation?

Armor is thicker in the front.
Being at your enemy 6s is the strongest tactical position.

I have opinions and fundaments. Your only opinion is saying my opinion is silly or too realistic.
Your only fundaments is your perspective and that you don't what to think much about your surroundings.

I played chess much before I played Wow. Rogue was the class I picked first because I like tactic and strategy.
Some years later. I dueled another rogue outside of Black Temple. I remember his name because it was funny, his name was Conejito(Bunny), he was an undead rogue with both Illidan swords.
We dueled three times, and I won all three.
He then demanded to stand in front of each other and press all buttons until one of us died.

That moment made me think quite a lot. Conejito had a perspective.

Vhaeyne

I really liked Wildstars combat system. The aesthetics of that game was not for me, but the combat system was a joy.

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