What does the community think about XP Debt?

Mikasa

After your Alpha 1 experience, what do you think about the XP Debt?

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Mikasa

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Kaizen_Strava

I am of the opinion the Death should have consequences.
I would like to see some of the following as bullet points in the design of those consequences.
P.V.E.

<Level 10 = no death penalty
>Level 10 Carry capacity limits implemented where you lose no items that are not "over" your capacity. This could raise with level gain. This could even be a skill to increase your max allowed capacity.
1st Death = XP debt of about half of it's current level.
1st death = "Resurrection Sickness" de-buff which will significantly increase your XP debt accumulation if you have subsequent deaths with-in a 15(?) minute time frame.
Greatly reduced Death penalties if you are rezzed by a party member.
Moderately reduced penalties if you wait for the timer to expire before resurrecting.
Specific quest chains designed to help reduce XP debt.

P.V.P.

<Level 10 = no death penalty if attacked
>Level 10 a portion of your items randomly system selected and "ransomed" to your killer so you can choose to pay the ransom or lose the items
1st Death = XP debt of about half of it's current level if attacked.
1st death = "Resurrection Sickness" de-buff which will significantly increase your XP debt accumulation if you have subsequent deaths with-in a 15(?) minute time frame.
If you are attacked and killed by the same player/party while Resurrection Sickness de-buff is active, that player/party gets the XP debt instead of the victim. Not applicable if you are a second try aggressor
Greatly reduced Death penalties if you are rezzed by a party member.
Moderately reduced penalties if you wait for the timer to expire before resurrecting.
Specific quest chains designed to help reduce XP debt.

Khronus

It needs to be tuned but I love the idea. 2-3% exp debt from a pvp death seems fair. 10% for pve would seem fair. Yeah you can grief someone and end up having a mob kill them but who cares.

Keep it simple with a flat %. No need to clog up the system with special rules or anything silly. Punish someone for dying and make the game harder.

What would be cool is XP debt removal from certain religions or freeholds. I also believe there should be an xp debt cap. Off the top of my head 25% of your current lvls exp seems nice and punishing.

What I am curious about is what happens to this exp debt system once you reach lvl 50? No way you could drop down to lvl 49 as this would be insane to implement. It would still make sense if there were endless levels to be gained but this isn't something they want in the game if I remember correctly.

Songcaller

It should be a flat experience debt application where ever applicable. It shouldn't be numeric but it should be a percentage. This is so the death has the same impact regardless of level and this also enables different percentages for PvE and PvP. I would prefer no experience debt in PvP (Sieges) but a reduced experience debt will also be acceptable.

Songcaller

Khronus wrote: »

What I am curious about is what happens to this exp debt system once you reach lvl 50? No way you could drop down to lvl 49 as this would be insane to implement. It would still make sense if there were endless levels to be gained but this isn't something they want in the game if I remember correctly.

Last I heard you can't de-level from experience debt. I believe the cap is 100% Experience Debt after multiple deaths yet I haven't played the MMO yet.

mcstackerson

Khronus wrote: »

What I am curious about is what happens to this exp debt system once you reach lvl 50? No way you could drop down to lvl 49 as this would be insane to implement. It would still make sense if there were endless levels to be gained but this isn't something they want in the game if I remember correctly.

Exp debt is supposed to make you weaker and impact drop chances which is how it will affect you at max level. Wiki: Player Death

Naxxaz

I havent tried the alpha so can't say much, but on behalf of the new-blood i don't see a reason for it, as it clearly would hurt casual/new players more than gritty veterans with many years/MMO's on their resumé.
So long as it does not become a "git gut" mechanic for new players.

Other than that, i find it cool!
AND i think it should have a part to play at end game so it's not just a "slow down leveling" or "anti-risk" mechanic.
EDIT: It does in fact affect max level.

Khronus

mcstackerson wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

What I am curious about is what happens to this exp debt system once you reach lvl 50? No way you could drop down to lvl 49 as this would be insane to implement. It would still make sense if there were endless levels to be gained but this isn't something they want in the game if I remember correctly.

Exp debt is supposed to make you weaker and impact drop chances which is how it will affect you at max level. Wiki: Player Death

Oh daaaamn. Yeah I will be pvping and punishing as many people as possible who are not in my node as a citizen haha. I don't want to spawn camp anyone but it was very much possible in the alpha. I am hoping the respawn point can be chosen by the player. Closest 3-5 spawn points would be awesome if the punishment is this harsh.

Mikasa

Neurath wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

What I am curious about is what happens to this exp debt system once you reach lvl 50? No way you could drop down to lvl 49 as this would be insane to implement. It would still make sense if there were endless levels to be gained but this isn't something they want in the game if I remember correctly.

Last I heard you can't de-level from experience debt. I believe the cap is 100% Experience Debt after multiple deaths yet I haven't played the MMO yet.

I saw someone on Shol server this last alpha test had a Experience debt greater than -400%.

Songcaller

Okay, well feedback is appreciated. I can't take the number too seriously because the numbers were test numbers and not the numbers we will see in the end. I'm not against having more than 100% Experience Debt but I still believe we don't de-level. Thank you

George_Black

Death should have progress consequences. I am used to it from previous mmos and have no problem with it

Songcaller

I think it's a shame there aren't wounds to be healed by Bards like SWG and the entertainer classes. I miss those old days of community and Teras Kasi Meditation Healing lol.

Kesarakk

I like it and hope it stays. Nothing breaks immersion faster than a splat taxi.

FireKnightGaming

I enjoy the concept giving me a reason to not want to “lleeeeeerrroooyyyyy Jeeeennnkkkiinnnssss” all the time.

Honfold

I really like the xp dept system. It makes you care more about your surroundings or choose whether or not to team up to grind some mobs. I imagine pvp will make it more interesting but I admit I do not know how it will be implemented into pvp/ganking.

Yuyukoyay

The concept definitely sounds like it can work if tuned right. It's got to take at least like a couple hours later in the game to have any meaning though. Also it probably should only be for mobs within a certain level of you.

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