Let's be clear, do we want AOC to be an excellent MMO or not?

Brothers and sisters, if we want AOC to be a great MMO, if we want it to be unique and the MMO that we deserve then we must do everything possible to make that happen, we must do our part to help them create that dream for which they are fighting.
Yesterday I found out that Jeff retired from the project, the first thing I did is send a motivational message to Steven, they are human, they get tired, they have doubts, they have fears, they are fighting and IT IS A DUTY AS FUTURE AOC PLAYERS to support the people who are struggling to give us joy in our lives.

Let's discuss more, give more ideas, support them , an encouraging message can be a great help, give them the energy to continue building that MMO that we deserve.

It will be a long fight with many falls and successes , if we want something great and unique, we must all fight together, both the community and the company.

TOGETHER AS BROTHERS WE WILL ACHIEVE GREAT THINGS OR DIE IN THE TRY BUT WE WILL FIGHT TO THE END FOR OUR DREAMS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02D9QzDe4s

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Asgerr

A little too cult-y but sure

Dygz

Not

Sathrago

Where do I line up for the koolaid?

Dont get me wrong I like the spirit but maybe we should chill out a bit instead.

Goatrek

haha this post is gold.

RocketFarmer

Who are we fighting?

Support them animally? Typo?

MybroViajero

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Who are we fighting?

Support them animally? Typo?

My english is not the best , i have a few mistakes , I will improve little by little

MybroViajero

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Who are we fighting?

Support them animally? Typo?

BTW , thanks for the corrections, that helps me a lot

Valentine

Tell us how you really feel?

It's good to be supportive, but the only thing worth being extremist about is love.

RocketFarmer

Don’t worry, your passion makes up for it. We all want to see this game succeed. But at the same time we also need to wait and see whether the promises are delivered. I’ve seen too much blind faith in a lot of really bad games. Pathfinder Online being one of those. There are YouTube videos that show just how bad.

MybroViajero

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Don’t worry, your passion makes up for it. We all want to see this game succeed. But at the same time we also need to wait and see whether the promises are delivered. I’ve seen too much blind faith in a lot of really bad games. Pathfinder Online being one of those. There are YouTube videos that show just how bad.

Yes, I have had those disappointments too , But, my passion is reflected in the passion of the developers and the entire AOC team, especially Steve, if I did not see that effort they are putting into it, I would not support them.Supporting the one who strives is a very sensible thing to do

Tacualeon

Combat lacks the most important things which I have repeteadly talked about but my words have not reached relevant ears, sadly.
The thing keeping my eyes on Ashes is the direction of the aesthetics of the game, which I interpret as a sign of criterion.
If there is criterion and thought, there is hope. If there is thought, there is taste.

We are going somewhere, the reason: aesthetics.

I don't think they have much idea about what tactics or strategy actually means.
I'm not a programmer, nor an engineer, nor an artist. But I'm a strategist and tactical minded individual which happens to love pvp interaction in all expressions, specially third person.
All I've done since I was 5 is play strategy and fighting games. And I did some coaching for professional e-sports.

This game looks gorgeous, but it has no sauce, punch or combat flow.
I barely know any programming, but I fully know the fundaments of combat, about táctical gameplay, strategy and combat flow.

I really wished some dev would come by, just let us know where are not talking to the wall and wasting our time.
I have 75 unfinished draft of suggestions, with examples and arguments that I gave up mid-way because I hate wasting my time writing things in detail no one relevant will ever read. Setting the QA submission post aside, how sure are you someone from Intrepid actually reads a single sentence you put time into writing?

My time and criterion are the most expensive thing I have. I write because I would like seeing changes based on tactical fundaments and strategy. I have been trying to stir the wheel in the direction of tactic and strategy.
But:
-The concept is above what they know
-They don't care
-They think I don't know what I'm talking about

I know they want my money. I want them to have my money.
I'm a combat nerds that knows better, I want combat to be as high quality as the graphics.
Steven doesn't strike me as someone particular interested or invested in the pvp experience.
I wish we could chat, or at least ask questions to the lead combat designer.
Combat has no direction. And I feel I have no means to help it.

I hope combat gets as much thought as Intrepid has given to aesthetics. I hope Ashes combat go somewhere cool, for strategic and exciting reasons.

bloodprophet

Combat has no direction. And I feel I have no means to help it.

How you know this? You an insider?

They are hiring.
https://intrepidstudios.com/careers

Songcaller

It would be an uphill battle from the start. They would want you to tow the line and you would want to revolutionise the combat. It doesn't make for a harmonious relationship. I'm not sure what the combat revamp will achieve, if we get ability synergies, fluid combat, weighty combat and expanded combat then the game will be a hit. I don't envy the Devs in the tasks ahead the main light remains Steven when he said 'You might spec into bleeds in your weapon skills and harness the bleed through your class abilities'. Perhaps we haven't seen the full scope of the combat plan because weapon abilities and passive abilities are yet to be implemented.

Tacualeon

bloodprophet wrote: »

Combat has no direction. And I feel I have no means to help it.

How you know this? You an insider?

They are hiring.
https://intrepidstudios.com/careers

You actually read the entire wall of text? Wow.

bloodprophet wrote: »

How you know this? You an insider?

I'm insider of the universal fundaments of strategy.

I only play game that involves strategy and action at the same time since 1996.
Some nerds can plan, but can't act.
Some adrenaline junkies can act, but can't plan.
I like both. The theorycrafting of builds and the outplays in arenas and battlegrounds.
I have plenty of books of strategy and warfare, and a statue of Athena in my bedroom.

I started playing chess at 6.
Played wow at 13.
Started playing speed-chess at 16.
Became e-sport coach at 19.
In videogame I've fund the dynamic and artistic value I didn't find in chess.
In mmorpg and mobas I found the tactical and strategic value I didn't find in FPS.

There is no tactical motivation for the combat in Ashes right now and little strategic value out of the simple meleeVsrange scenario.

Everyone can tell you something is tactical or have a strategic gameplay but when gameplay doesn't support that it makes them just empty words.

If someone every tries to sell you something tactical, what tactics means and how it differentiate from strategy is a good question.

I'm only interested in combat design and player versus player interaction.
I don't live in USA, I don't have the technical skills of a Senior and Intrepid only hire Seniors.
I'm aware of my curret technical limitations, If they ever open position for juniors I will try.

On the matters of pointing out what is tactical and strategic gameplay and what is not I think I'm second to none and I have arguments in case anyone is interested and has the power to actually change things for good.
The best I can do for the game right know is point flaws, provide ideas and solutions, hope Intrepid read the forum and takes me serious.

maouw

@Tacualeon
You need to trust the community managers that they are reading the threads - because it's their job to communicate activity here to the rest of the team.
I think they've heard you already - but you cannot expect them to reply to every thread.
It's because of posts like yours and others that they *know* they aren't happy with combat just yet.

The thing is, you and I want a rich combat experience that the entire genre is lacking, but it's totally foreign to people who haven't had this experience can't imagine how that level of combat could work in an MMO - because BDO/BladeNSoul are the current cutting edge standards for combat in MMOs, yet BDO only catered to zerging.

Because if this, most people can't see your vision, and it will take a fully implemented example to show people what you have in your head - and even then, it's not just about convincing the Devs that your idea is good, but the entire player community - and at the moment the majority of the MMO community still wants a boss that sits still. I mean, even ideas from MoBAs are being shut down. (Even though they are literally 5v5 combat with proven success).

What I'm saying is: I think your combat ideas are at least 5 years too early, because the MMO community will not embrace it even if you implement it.

Songcaller

maouw wrote: »

and at the moment the majority of the MMO community still wants a boss that sits still.

I don't think this is a true reflection of the majority. PvPers are outnumbered by PvEers and none of us have asked for stationary bosses. If you can tame a boss, then you can control a boss, but, the dragons are a fine example of bosses that won't be controlled for long.

maouw

Neurath wrote: »

maouw wrote: »

and at the moment the majority of the MMO community still wants a boss that sits still.

I don't think this is a true reflection of the majority. PvPers are outnumbered by PvEers and none of us have asked for stationary bosses. If you can tame a boss, then you can control a boss, but, the dragons are a fine example of bosses that won't be controlled for long.

That's fair, I can't say I've surveyed a large portion of the MMO community for their thoughts haha

bloodprophet

Think you missed the point.
Two things. They have said they are redoing the whole combat system AND as often as it gets said a lot of people still refuse to listen. It is still pre-alpha and most of what we see is a place holder while they are building the world and server's.
You don't build pyramids from the top down.

Songcaller

I find the pyramid reference quite ironic since in the early days they called the game a pyramid scheme. Oh how wrong they were.

Dygz

I dunno how anyone expects to be happy with combat in an Alpha One PREVIEW where the focus of the TESTING is on logins, network stability, optimization and population density.

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