Benefits for corrupt players

The current Corruption and Flagging system kills the vibe. Of course, no one wants to be PKed right after leaving a Node, but at the moment, there is literally no reason to PK. There is no Risk vs. Reward, it's just death.

Corrupt players can only remove corruption by dying or by slowly leveling for x amount of time. Plenty of bounty hunters might try to kill you and the consequences for dying are massive. Not only that, but combat becomes more and more difficult the more corrupt you are. Just a 10% decrease in stats would cripple me in PVP, so why would I ever become corrupt?

The only benefit is that non-combat players suffer twice the death penalty as combat players, so if you kill one of these players, you might get slightly more resources. This is not at all worth it. It would be cool if Corrupted players could receive some tangible benefits, rather than just having a ban on PKing in disguise.

My idea is, if the NPC reputation system is expanded to have evil NPCs be more favorable to Corrupted players, they might be able to exchange rare resources and items. The more PKs under your belt, the better the items. If you already have killed five players, let's assume you suffer a 5% decrease in stats and are a very tempting target for bounty hunters. If your goal is to get 10 PKs so you can trade for some really good items or resources, then the risks and benefits would balance each other.

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Nagash

maouw wrote: »

Return to the forums to find a new corruption thread!

good to see things are business as usual~
Perhaps we need a new diagram. Are people having trouble understanding the chart?

corruption, corruption never changes

Noaani

Biccus wrote: »

If they'll save hours of gathering by killing someone and they think they can get away with it.. You're saying there's no chance? Seriously?

Player inventory is fairly small, 1% of what a caravan can hold.

You can't hold hours of gathered materials on you at a time, so people can't take that much from you.

Blackford

I kind of like the idea of buffing them as they gain corruption, like maybe a bonus damage done as well as increasing damage taken...

But then again, if your ganking people as some sort of sniper or rogue, you'll eventually be 1 shotting anyone.

That would be very difficult to balance.

Biccus

Noaani wrote: »

Biccus wrote: »

If they'll save hours of gathering by killing someone and they think they can get away with it.. You're saying there's no chance? Seriously?

Player inventory is fairly small, 1% of what a caravan can hold.

You can't hold hours of gathered materials on you at a time, so people can't take that much from you.

I mean unless you can show a source that says that inventories are small and that caravans aren't just massive then that is a really weak counter argument.
You simply can't make that statement as we don't know how long it'll take to fill an inventory of gatherables.. But I do not expect to be able to fill my inventory in under an hour.

Noaani

Biccus wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Biccus wrote: »

If they'll save hours of gathering by killing someone and they think they can get away with it.. You're saying there's no chance? Seriously?

Player inventory is fairly small, 1% of what a caravan can hold.

You can't hold hours of gathered materials on you at a time, so people can't take that much from you.

I mean unless you can show a source that says that inventories are small and that caravans aren't just massive then that is a really weak counter argument.
You simply can't make that statement as we don't know how long it'll take to fill an inventory of gatherables.. But I do not expect to be able to fill my inventory in under an hour.

You should probably adjust that expectation.

And no, I'm not going to spend any time finding you sources. Go back and watch all the live streams from 2017 onwards like I did, you'll find it in there somewhere.

Ferni

Biccus wrote: »

I mean unless you can show a source that says that inventories are small and that caravans aren't just massive then that is a really weak counter argument.
You simply can't make that statement as we don't know how long it'll take to fill an inventory of gatherables.. But I do not expect to be able to fill my inventory in under an hour.

I think you can check all that information in the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Inventory

@Noanni is right. Mules can carry 10 times more items than a player. Caravans can carry 10 times more than mules. You can check it in the reference number 7 in the wiki, there's a link to a Livestream from July 2017 when they talked about it.

ThexBlackxKnight

Ferni wrote: »

@Noanni is right. Mules can carry 10 times more items than a player. Caravans can carry 10 times more than mules. You can check it in the reference number 7 in the wiki, there's a link to a Livestream from July 2017 when they talked about it.

Mules? Mining in Ultima Online Flashbacks!

akabear

Still 10x X.. and X being unknown how long to obtain, quantity, volume, or weight.

They did stay on that stream that the figures of 1,10,100x were generalizations only.

Interested to see what those who are testing might find!

Noaani

akabear wrote: »

Still 10x X.. and X being unknown how long to obtain, quantity, volume, or weight.

They did stay on that stream that the figures of 1,10,100x were generalizations only.

Interested to see what those who are testing might find!

While they are generalizations, a little bit of critical thinking goes a long way here, imo.

It is probably fair to say that the developers want a harvester/processor or processor/crafter relationship to have a caravan a week, or there abouts. This is based on good game design, and ensuring the caravan system remains an integral aspect of the game. If we could hold too much in a caravan, caravans would be too rare.

So, if we assume a caravan holds a weeks worth of harvesting, that means a players inventory holds 1% of a weeks harvesting.

If we were to assume that a players inventory can hold even an hour worth of harvests, that would mean a caravan can hold 100 hours worth of harvests.

Now, I am not interested in spending 100 hours harvesting, I honestly don't know many people that are.

20 hours to me would be the absolute top I would spend a week.

This means a player inventory would hold about 1% of 20 hours of harvesting, or 12 minutes.

Obviously, there is some generalizations and assumptions here, but that is all fairly sound.

If a player wishes to spend longer harvesting, they have the option of taking a mule which would then up that capacity to about 2 hours worth of harvesting, but also makes them an obvious target for someone to attack in PvP (a player with a mule heading towards a node just sounds like a good target).

Songcaller

You will gain corruption for killing a mule but the haul could be worthwhile.

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