Break the Gank Box -- Evil Suggestions Needed

I was getting hyped about this game and seriously considering dropping the cash for a beta key, but now I am reconsidering ... and open world PvP is the reason.
Steven has said that he doesn't intend for Ashes to be a gank box and that he believes the corruption system will deter that.
As a pacifist MMORPG player, I timidly disagree.
But instead of whining into my herbal tea, I would like to ask the PvPers to offer up their evil plans.
How will you get around the corruption system to gank as many innocent noobs as possible?
Suicide to clear the corruption? Alts just for ganking? Is there a way to cash shop it away?
My intention is to provide insight into how the chaotic evil players will twist the corruption system to their own nefarious ends so that maybe the devs can tweak the system before release to make it more enjoyable for peaceful players.

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ThexBlackxKnight

Okeydoke wrote: »

You just caved bro. I was following your arguments and then bam you just cave. You can't do that. You somehow just got talked into agreeing to exactly what they want. You were doing pretty good too lol.

Not something I would want in the game , just using it as a example of what a real compromise looks like. My argument is that Ashes is really a "pvp" game and pvx term is being used to sugarcoat the game to make it look not as bad to the eye of a pve player.

Okeydoke

Yeah I know you don't want it. They just brow beat you into saying it'd actually be a good compromise. It wouldn't be a compromise at all. It'd be them getting exactly what they want.

They will never stop. It will continue up until launch and even after. Don't give an inch. The game is being designed to where many of their concerns will not be warranted anyway. They just don't realize it yet. To hell with a pvp toggle though. Hard to think of a worse idea for the type of game Ashes is trying to be.

ThexBlackxKnight

Okeydoke wrote: »

Yeah I know you don't want it. They just brow beat you into saying it'd actually be a good compromise. It wouldn't be a compromise at all. It'd be them getting exactly what they want.

They will never stop. It will continue up until launch and even after. Don't give an inch. The game is being designed to where many of their concerns will not be warranted anyway. They just don't realize it yet. To hell with a pvp toggle though. Hard to think of a worse idea for the type of game Ashes is trying to be.

Oh yeah you can expect the crying to start for full immunity to pvp in Alpha 2 maybe.

akabear

I would hope that the lands are large and wide enough that there will be hostile zones and peaceful zones and zones in-between and not too much challenge to find one`s own sweet spot to reside.

akabear

I can`t see the economy running terribly well if there is too much conflict to enable pve.

Pve usually fuels the economy, provides the substance for levelling, privides the mats for crafters to make gear etc without which there is no pvp, surely?

ThexBlackxKnight

akabear wrote: »

I can`t see the economy running terribly well if there is too much conflict to enable pve.

Pve usually fuels the economy, provides the substance for levelling, privides the mats for crafters to make gear etc without which there is no pvp, surely?

Periods of peace can still happen , but the pve focus players will need to be protected as they will be prime targets not just by red players but enemy guilds/alliances and enemy nodes.

Vhaeyne

Never forget the 34th rule of acquisition: War is good for business.

or...

The 35th rule: Peace is good for business.

Verra is going to be a great place to make money.

akabear

I see the first few weeks perhaps even months for random and possibly even senseless ganking happening but once guilds form up and determine objectives then unless the game has other means to obtain levels, gear and prosperity, then they will have to either settle down, make peace/friends reach agreements and/ or protect their activities.

ThexBlackxKnight

akabear wrote: »

I see the first few weeks perhaps even months for random and possibly even senseless ganking happening but once guilds form up and determine objectives then unless the game has other means to obtain levels, gear and prosperity, then they will have to either settle down, make peace/friends reach agreements and/ or protect their activities.

The problem with that is that the pve is not static, its tied to the destruction of nodes , if you want new content , you have take the other node down to unlock it. If your node is destroyed any agreements you had with other guilds in that node is lost too. On top of that , the looting rights, this will be a endless source of drama between guilds. The game is being made for peace to not last very long.

Songcaller

A node will be destroyed but the other nodes in the influence zone will then emerge and level up (If it is a Metro Node then a new Metro Node will spawn). I do not see the dungeons in a zone of influence changing much unless the node on the periphery becomes a Metro and the zone of influence shifts beyond the dungeons in question.

ThexBlackxKnight

Neurath wrote: »

A node will be destroyed but the other nodes in the influence zone will then emerge and level up (If it is a Metro Node then a new Metro Node will spawn). I do not see the dungeons in a zone of influence changing much unless the node on the periphery becomes a Metro and the zone of influence shifts beyond the dungeons in question.

They did say that node destruction will lock out raid spots and open new ones elsewhere. Gives the whole motivation of breaking the lock down of a node and guild alliances have on raiding spots and provides new opportunities for other guilds to get their shot at the good loot.

Dygz

Dungeons change based on what buildings and services are constucted. And are also based on what's happening in other Nodes besides just the local Metro.

Songcaller

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

They did say that node destruction will lock out raid spots and open new ones elsewhere. Gives the whole motivation of breaking the lock down of a node and guild alliances have on raiding spots and provides new opportunities for other guilds to get their shot at the good loot.

They have said that but they aren't going to make over 100 raids on the off chance some nodes will reach metro while other nodes aren't a metro. It takes more than Metro Stance to open up the dungeons but it might take a Metro to open up a raid. With the events linked in to node evolution then any Node can influence a dungeon, with some opening deeper delves or influencing what mobs will spawn.

I think Guilds/Alliances will have a hard time locking down open world raids/world bosses/open world dungeons. There might be set times for world bosses but I believe open world raids and open world dungeons can be deep dived around the clock. A guild/alliance aiming to lock down PvE will soon enter several Guild Wars in my opinion.

ThexBlackxKnight

Neurath wrote: »

. A guild/alliance aiming to lock down PvE will soon enter several Guild Wars in my opinion.

I think that is pretty much the idea of looting rights to cause such things. Everyone playing nice to wait in a line for raid bosses in a pvp game is very unlikely.

Songcaller

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

I think that is pretty much the idea of looting rights to cause such things. Everyone playing nice to wait in a line for raid bosses in a pvp game is very unlikely.

Yeah, I agree with you. I would also say that in a PvP Game then tactics and close calls will be paramount. You will probably face contestation and weird time schedules to counter act the issues we will face without instanced raids. I do not expect Guilds to wait in line except those Guilds in Alliances when the whole alliance decides to raid at the same time. It is one thing to PvP and Raid at set times, it is another act entirely to try and lock out that content for the rest of the server.

ThexBlackxKnight

Neurath wrote: »

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Yeah, I agree with you. I would also say that in a PvP Game then tactics and close calls will be paramount. You will probably face contestation and weird time schedules to counter act the issues we will face without instanced raids. I do not expect Guilds to wait in line except those Guilds in Alliances when the whole alliance decides to raid at the same time. It is one thing to PvP and Raid at set times, it is another act entirely to try and lock out that content for the rest of the server.

I think nighttime guilds will have big advantage , less people to contend with.

Biccus

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

I think nighttime guilds will have big advantage , less people to contend with.

Hmm that depends entirely on the respawn times. If we’re talking about bosses anyway, if there is a long respawn on bosses then there’s also a chance they miss out every night.

I imagine it will be prime time for resource grinding.

akabear

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

I see the first few weeks perhaps even months for random and possibly even senseless ganking happening but once guilds form up and determine objectives then unless the game has other means to obtain levels, gear and prosperity, then they will have to either settle down, make peace/friends reach agreements and/ or protect their activities.

The problem with that is that the pve is not static, its tied to the destruction of nodes , if you want new content , you have take the other node down to unlock it. If your node is destroyed any agreements you had with other guilds in that node is lost too. On top of that , the looting rights, this will be a endless source of drama between guilds. The game is being made for peace to not last very long.

I see your point but again, I cannot see it happening so much...if the nodes change hands too often or too quickly then they the change of territory will become as banal and meaningless as ESO`s cyrodiil. To give meaning and value, they need to achieve value, with the input of time and resources as that measure.
So surely there would be built for longer time to achieve?

Dygz

Castles will be a source of guild drama every week they are occupied by guilds.
Nodes have cooldowns for when siege declarations can happen, so...specific Nodes will have some relative peace.

Percimes

Just to add another anecdotal experience in L2. I didn't play for a long time (2-3 months), but I did so when the game opened for NA. I never reached max level but in all the time I've played I don't remember ever being attacked by another player. It might have happened, but if I don't even remember it, it certainly wasn't a big issue. Maybe everyone was simply too busy leveling, maybe it was because there were no defined factions marking anyone as an enemy, or maybe it was a server thing. I don't know.

The only PK story from my time in that game is from a friend. He got tired of Chinese gold farmers and killed one or two, and then he had four or five on his tail.

People will be attacked. Some will be ganked. But I'd be surprised if it was a bloodbath.

And for a better analogy of consensuality for this game. If you know you're allergic to dogs and you adopt a dog, you can't blame your dog if you get itchy eyes and a runny nose.

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