Can we get legendary items through exploration?

I've been thinking about it, and I'm suggesting a reward mechanic for exploration. Some games give you exp and fancy achievements, even a title for exploring, but I feel this isn't enough to do this. I know you are planning to drop legendary named items in game, one per server, by defeating a dragon or a legendary boss.

That's nice, but I could suggest through exploration you could find a legendary sword stuck on a stone. Or walking by a lake you hear the sweet voice and as you approach you see a sword. An abandoned forge still burning hot and inside there is a warhammer. A haunted library and you could find a book illuminated by a beam of light coming down from a hole on the ceiling even though there is a storm outside.

I think these would be great moments to have, that could encourage rewards like this. Maybe they are not legendary, maybe they are rare, epic items. Not everything should be acquired through killing, I think having some epic moments is also important for a game.

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Songcaller

Blackford wrote: »

And he runs off into the bushes and comes back with the Ashbringer.

I'd ask if he wanted to play two toke pass.

neuroguy

Blackford wrote: »

Imagine the worst MMO player you've ever encountered.... the one who can't ever do a single mechanic.
Now you and he are walking down a road and he's all "hey what's that?"

And he runs off into the bushes and comes back with the Ashbringer.

Lmaooo, yeah but maybe the ashbringer will turn the player into Patrick the Pure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlmXn7Fy4C4

Watch till the end, pretty good hahaha.

mfckingjoker

Imo you should have the possibility to get some quite rare items with really low chance but definitely not legendary items.
One of the goals of endgame content in mmo's is the ability to take legendary items with hard work and cooperation and definitely a lot of competition and I'm pretty sure that they will stick to this path.

tautau

Instead of getting 'stuff' when exploring, maybe the remote and beautiful spot could have a plaque that you could sign as the first person to ever visit there. Your name would be recorded for the posterity of the server. Perhaps the plaque could list five names, or seven, like the Gods.

After all, if an item is given and that player quits the game, then the history of that event is gone. But not if it is a plaque that says "On the second day of the first month of The Return, mfckingjoker found this Oasis of Perpetual Sorrow."

bloodprophet

I have always liked the idea of devs hiding things in games.
Hidden quests and items. Not the +5 Flaming Sword of Jeffrey but maybe some materials that lead to it. I tend to look in corners and hard to reach places just to see what is there. I like coming around a corner in an out of the way place in the middle of nowhere to find a rare spawn creature. Then go hey see what happens and attack. Unless it is obvious.
Finding everything in the first couple weeks probably won't happen as content opens up as nodes open up. The dungeons are like that right now in pre-alpha. Go into a dungeon at node level 0 and it dead ends real fast. As the node levels more of it opens up. Good design imo.

Plutar

With the already Dynamic nature of the World of Verra, I don't see why it would be overly difficult for the Devs to put in a number of one-time or x-activation events for certain legendary(cosmetics). To be clear, these would be UNIQUE cosmetics unobtainable anywhere else, and after the event time is over or the number of people completing the event has hit some arbitrary threshold, they are gone forever.

This enables them to add small bits of flavor without taking up too much time, and would have players actively engaged with the world, vying for opportunities to show off your new, one-of-a-kind, fence post.

Ragecon

Zythtyz wrote: »

With the already Dynamic nature of the World of Verra, I don't see why it would be overly difficult for the Devs to put in a number of one-time or x-activation events for certain legendary(cosmetics). To be clear, these would be UNIQUE cosmetics unobtainable anywhere else, and after the event time is over or the number of people completing the event has hit some arbitrary threshold, they are gone forever.

This enables them to add small bits of flavor without taking up too much time, and would have players actively engaged with the world, vying for opportunities to show off your new, one-of-a-kind, fence post.

Exactly this! They have to make it known that super rare things are out there In The ever changing world, so many people would be out there looking and fighting for them.

Zeshio

I think the idea is good, but the implementation would need work. If it were just one time locations, they'd all be gone the first week from hardcore folks scouring for goodies. I think the devs would need to think about how to make these spots more deep and meaningful.

Smol

Zeshio wrote: »

I think the idea is good, but the implementation would need work. If it were just one time locations, they'd all be gone the first week from hardcore folks scouring for goodies. I think the devs would need to think about how to make these spots more deep and meaningful.

I agree with this, probably no item would be in a level 1 node, I realize we could link this to node levels, so there is more variety as nodes progress and some could get locked behind node levels, which means more reasons to do siege attacks in order to find these items.

Overall I agree with the most suggestions so far, probably they are better than what I originally intended, however I've been informed there will be legendries in the open world through treasure hunting. All I can say is that I'm excited for AoC.

ThexBlackxKnight

Zeshio wrote: »

I think the idea is good, but the implementation would need work. If it were just one time locations, they'd all be gone the first week from hardcore folks scouring for goodies. I think the devs would need to think about how to make these spots more deep and meaningful.

Well I don't know about the first week , Jeffrey is really good at hiding things and apparently there have been stuff hidden that hasn't been found by anyone on these playtest maps.

Sathrago

I don't think we should reward players with legendary, best in the game loot because they walked somewhere. This kind of thing works amazingly in single-player games and fantasy light novels about mmos, but not an actual mmo.

Dygz

tautau wrote: »

Instead of getting 'stuff' when exploring, maybe the remote and beautiful spot could have a plaque that you could sign as the first person to ever visit there. Your name would be recorded for the posterity of the server. Perhaps the plaque could list five names, or seven, like the Gods.

After all, if an item is given and that player quits the game, then the history of that event is gone. But not if it is a plaque that says "On the second day of the first month of The Return, mfckingjoker found this Oasis of Perpetual Sorrow."

*meh*
I have no interest in signing a plaque.
I'd rather get a cosmetic or a pet/trophy to display at my Freehold. But, I'd also like something more interesting to be there than an empty building/marker with a signable plaque.

Vhaeyne

Sathrago wrote: »

I don't think we should reward players with legendary, best in the game loot because they walked somewhere. This kind of thing works amazingly in single-player games and fantasy light novels about mmos, but not an actual mmo.

I would allow it if you had to walk through a giga gauntlet of traps that only .001% of the player base could complete.

You get one attempt a day... and it costs a small ship worth of gold to even try it...

It would have to be insane to get something good from walking. Some hardcore walking...

Conrad

I like the idea of finding stuff, however, no gear.

We should have unlockable cosmetics however! Sword in stone could be a cosmetic when you claim it... or perhaps when you find a runeblade encased in ice? Cosmetic!

This game is not wow. So don't make it feel like wow. Exploring can reward us with cosmetics but not gear. Nah uh!

Nagash

I do love the idea of ruins and finding gear but I think legendary items maybe a step to far

Knutsson

I remember getting a legendary item at lvl 5 in Vanguard back in the day, it was announced serverwide as a world first. Pretty cool feature. And I remember the long questlines in EQ2 that rewarded legendary items, that you later could put in your house as decoration. All fun stuff that spices up the levelling experience. Legendary items at max level is a whole other topic. Those should be super rare and only have a small dropchance when doing the hardest content.

Grihm

Nuxib Kiin wrote: »

I've been thinking about it, and I'm suggesting a reward mechanic for exploration. Some games give you exp and fancy achievements, even a title for exploring, but I feel this isn't enough to do this. I know you are planning to drop legendary named items in game, one per server, by defeating a dragon or a legendary boss.

That's nice, but I could suggest through exploration you could find a legendary sword stuck on a stone. Or walking by a lake you hear the sweet voice and as you approach you see a sword. An abandoned forge still burning hot and inside there is a warhammer. A haunted library and you could find a book illuminated by a beam of light coming down from a hole on the ceiling even though there is a storm outside.

I think these would be great moments to have, that could encourage rewards like this. Maybe they are not legendary, maybe they are rare, epic items. Not everything should be acquired through killing, I think having some epic moments is also important for a game.

Through exploration is not enough by far. This would become a Youtube FAQ in 3 min, and people would flood to these locations, and the " legendary " Sword could just as well be from Aliexpress.

Modern day questlines are 8 out of 10 times, walk from A to B and tadaaa = Reward all with " Epic Legendary Rareness of unheard uncommonness doohickey "

Anything that even closes in to a classification as " rare " and above should include a massive investment from the player. Massive investment as in, if you want this....you really really put in the effort. When people hear the word " rare " basically none connect that to it´s rarity, but instead either what the damage would be, or what it can sell for.

SongRune

It's easy to create meaningful rewards for exploration out of natural player interactions. Rather than having special items available in the natural world, use exploration to reward players with opportunities. Allow players to discover bosses and content, not always new content, but valuable content, that others don't know how to find:

When you discover this boss, you get a choice: You can gather up your friends or your guild, and take it down yourselves. Whatever special drops it has are only for you and your group. If you don't have one, or you're looking for more prestige, find a large guild to offer the information to (for a cut of the profit, of course). You might even be able to start a bidding war, if you're the particularly industrious sort.

You can become known as the person who found something everyone wants -- and as the key to getting it -- or you can take it for yourself and your friends, and let your power grow. The choice is yours. But once that boss is defeated, who knows when -- or where -- it will ever spawn again. Maybe it will take months. Maybe, once it's defeated 10 or 12 times, it will never spawn again. Different bosses will have different conditions, and different quality of drops. But there's one thing you can be sure of: There's always a reason to go explore the world.

Smol

Grihm wrote: »

Nuxib Kiin wrote: »

I've been thinking about it, and I'm suggesting a reward mechanic for exploration. Some games give you exp and fancy achievements, even a title for exploring, but I feel this isn't enough to do this. I know you are planning to drop legendary named items in game, one per server, by defeating a dragon or a legendary boss.

That's nice, but I could suggest through exploration you could find a legendary sword stuck on a stone. Or walking by a lake you hear the sweet voice and as you approach you see a sword. An abandoned forge still burning hot and inside there is a warhammer. A haunted library and you could find a book illuminated by a beam of light coming down from a hole on the ceiling even though there is a storm outside.

I think these would be great moments to have, that could encourage rewards like this. Maybe they are not legendary, maybe they are rare, epic items. Not everything should be acquired through killing, I think having some epic moments is also important for a game.

Through exploration is not enough by far. This would become a Youtube FAQ in 3 min, and people would flood to these locations, and the " legendary " Sword could just as well be from Aliexpress.

Modern day questlines are 8 out of 10 times, walk from A to B and tadaaa = Reward all with " Epic Legendary Rareness of unheard uncommonness doohickey "

Anything that even closes in to a classification as " rare " and above should include a massive investment from the player. Massive investment as in, if you want this....you really really put in the effort. When people hear the word " rare " basically none connect that to it´s rarity, but instead either what the damage would be, or what it can sell for.

I'd love to point out, once again, that I did mention that item would be unique, not an item you get through any achievement by finding the place, not like WoW mounts. I'm talking about unique items per server. There can only be one player with this skin, only one item with this skin per server. And as for the skin, someone said instead of the item itself, they suggested applying a cosmetic to weapons, armor, mounts, freeholds, etc.

As for the means to obtain them, someone did say a puzzle would be great to obtain this. Rather than focusing on combat, people need to focus on solving a puzzle, so more of a reward for being smart and clever.

Dygz

I would kind of like to run across some hermits who play a parlor game.

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