What tools are given to Roleplayers?

As many of us, roleplayers or not simply do not have access to Ashes yet, perhaps you that have could help paint a picture on what resources or tools exist in AoC for Roleplay.

If you want, and have the time, i would appreciate any information you could give, and are allowed to give of course. Lengthy or detailed is up to one and each, but if you would like a shorter reply, you could simply copy paste this text below, add your own info to that.

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Tools or mechanics in Ashes of Creation as of right now post 2021 - xx - xx
* Sitting on chairs / benches / ground
* Chat bubbles toggle on / off / Optionally viewed
* Guild halls etc, as in areas private for meetings
* Options to color outfits, add sigills on tabards, clan markings on banners etc
* etc etc

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Vhaeyne

Grihm wrote: »

@Vhaeyne I have a feeling that what you are trying to push is, that RP should be done as you prefer it, and the rest is a waste of resources or time.

You keep contradicting yourself back and forth i feel, but again...onward with the thread. This back and forth is not helping.

Let us continue.

I have not enforced how people should RP or contradicted myself at all.

All I am saying these extra RP tools are not needed. To me, it just makes the game take more time and money to create.

Grihm

@Vhaeyne Literally in the same post... " these extra RP tools are not needed. To me, it just makes the game take more time and money to create. "

This thread as well is about what tools Roleplayers will be given, just as pvp has tools, and politics have tools.
If you do not like it, that´s absolutely ok. You made it clear.

Vhaeyne

Grihm wrote: »

Then by all means, open a thread and advocate for that in there. I would prefer that this thread is not derailed into a " i´m right you are wrong " thread for far too long. A few points back and forth is ok, but i feel we have found a stale location.

Again, there is value in seeing others point of view. If I wanted to avoid hearing your prospective I might have ignored this thread.

The reason the thread has become stale is not because I am here. It is because the only RP tool that has been suggested recently. The "Bio" tab or something like "Total Role-play" in WOW. That is also something that I am in favor of.

Grihm

Anyone in the test phase that can talk about this?

Are the chat windows / channels togglable, and can you make new ones and choose what to include and what to exclude?
Also, will there be any specific node wide channels?

ThexBlackxKnight

Vhaeyne wrote: »

One feature I did not ask to be cut is player housing. The place where most RPing happens in FFXIV. In FFXIV you can turn a whole floor of your house into a tavern, spa, even a theater where people put on plays. It is hard to sit by and watch DEVs invest time in a system just to create the same thing twice. It is even harder when the scope of the game is bigger than any other MMORPG on the market and historically new MMORPGs from new companies don't do so well. Often due to too much ambition.

I watched Wildstar come and go, promising the stars, delivering the moon, and fading to obscurity. All because it tried to be everything and in doing so, it became nothing.

I don't want that to happen to Ashes.

Social interaction is the game play , more so then anything else and taverns , games , in game marriages all serve to create the living world , and I think that appeals to a lot of people that have back the game. Cut those things off and it becomes the same old mmos we have right now. These are not side features bloating the game , its actually core systems of what they want the game to be like and it is what going to make Ashes stand out as being something different to current popular mmos.

Vhaeyne

Grihm wrote: »

Anyone in the test phase that can talk about this?

Are the chat windows / channels togglable, and can you make new ones and choose what to include and what to exclude?
Also, will there be any specific node wide channels?

Right now, you can /say, /party and /whisper. It is all in the same window. That window comes and goes with a mind of its own.

This is all placeholder stuff that will be improved I am sure. I am expecting to see normal chat tabs, and zone chat as things develop.

I think right now things in "say" are local, but I have no proof of this because people are using the approved discord channels for most communication.

Grihm

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Grihm wrote: »

Anyone in the test phase that can talk about this?

Are the chat windows / channels togglable, and can you make new ones and choose what to include and what to exclude?
Also, will there be any specific node wide channels?

Right now, you can /say, /party and /whisper. It is all in the same window. That window comes and goes with a mind of its own.

This is all placeholder stuff that will be improved I am sure. I am expecting to see normal chat tabs, and zone chat as things develop.

I think right now things in "say" are local, but I have no proof of this because people are using the approved discord channels for most communication.

Ah they share the space. Ok.. I " assume " that would be separated ahead for ease of reading, so not all are mixed in at once.

I especially would be surprised if Sieges would not be separated from all others, as well as guilds etc. No possible wat to keep track otherwise.

Right now, im holding out for an open test phase to test these myself, but as you say..placeholders sound reasonable for now. More crucial areas to focus on im sure.

Vhaeyne

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

Social interaction is the game play , more so then anything else and taverns , games , in game marriages all serve to create the living world , and I think that appeals to a lot of people that have back the game. Cut those things off and it becomes the same old mmos we have right now. These are not side features bloating the game , its actually core systems of what they want the game to be like and it is what going to make Ashes stand out as being something different to current popular mmos.

Many of those features exist in other games and they do not make the game feel more like a living world.
FFXIV has marriages for example. I attended a friend's marriage, and it went like this...

We all hung out on his lawn and waited until the time of the marriage. Then we teleported to the zone with the chapel. Went there and watch some cutscenes together on discord. Took some pictures, and got a free minion out of it. It was just our group doing some group content. No one RPed anything, we were just friends hanging out. In fact, the two that got married were in a real-world relationship.

If they had the ceremonies take place in like a public space that might make the world feel more alive, but then you have to deal with griefing.

Still, I don't see much living world benefit from things like taverns. The living world comes from the node wars, local economies, and political systems.

Grihm

I remember back in Age of Conan, we held war courts before big battles to debate on politics, honor and diplomacy.

I know there are the rank of Mayor for running a city etc, but how in depth are the rank systems overall?
Could a warlord / chieftain for example be able to set specific settings for buildings and or gear part from the mayor, or is the ruler of the city the highest in the food chain no matter what, and can therefor decide all and overrule all?

ThexBlackxKnight

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Still, I don't see much living world benefit from things like taverns. The living world comes from the node wars, local economies, and political systems.

Very big difference between FF14 a themepark game and Ashes which has a big sandbox element that causes change. In FF14 social events have no effect in the game while in Ashes they can cause effects on the game, rival taverns struggling over customers, a in game marriage which could be a source of drama if one player is feeling jealous about it and decides to turn the wedding into a red one, a good gambler of tavern games gets other gamblers from other areas of world to come challenge him or her. Cause and effect of these interactions is what makes a living world in the game.

Vhaeyne

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

Very big difference between FF14 a themepark game and Ashes which has a big sandbox element that causes change. In FF14 social events have no effect in the game while in Ashes they can cause effects on the game, rival taverns struggling over customers, a in game marriage which could be a source of drama if one player is feeling jealous about it and decides to turn the wedding into a red one, a good gambler of tavern games gets other gamblers from other areas of world to come challenge him or her. Cause and effect of these interactions is what makes a living world in the game.

I'll keep it short.

I am extremely skeptical that any of what you just said will happen the way you described.

Dygz

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I don't see it. What I see is feature creep. All the PvP and PvE features work together to create something that is greater than the sum of their individual parts, a great competitive open world PvX game.

It is OK for you to be blind.
Features that were integral to the design during Kickstarter cannot be feature creep.

Vhaeyne

Grihm wrote: »

I remember back in Age of Conan, we held war courts before big battles to debate on politics, honor and diplomacy.

I know there are the rank of Mayor for running a city etc, but how in depth are the rank systems overall?
Could a warlord / chieftain for example be able to set specific settings for buildings and or gear part from the mayor, or is the ruler of the city the highest in the food chain no matter what, and can therefor decide all and overrule all?

I think it depends on the node. Realistically I think large guilds will monopolize the power positions.

If you consider guild leaders discussing tactics and politics when dealing with other guilds RP, then there will be plenty of this. To me, this is all just logical emergent gameplay/storytelling that comes from a competitive open world environment. People are doing this as players not as characters.

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

It is OK for you to be blind.
Features that were integral to the design during Kickstarter cannot be feature creep.

Feature creep and happen at any stage of production.

Originally WOW was intended to have a darkness mechanic, hunger system, and campfires were needed to rest periodically. All of these features were cut from the game because they were not good MMORPG features.

All of those features are great in a survival game, but not an MMORPG. Survival games like Ark and Conan:Exiles are examples of games that do not call themselves RPGs, but fit all the classic criteria to be an RPG. Custom characters, builds, gear, stat systems...

Some systems are better for some game types than others. Ashes can't be everything.

ThexBlackxKnight

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I am extremely skeptical that any of what you just said will happen the way you described.

Its not a make believe thing , this stuff has happen in mmos before , Ultima Online and Star War Galaxies both had heavy player interactions on a social level , its just the 'living world" gameplay hasn't been done in a longtime for a mmorpg which will make it new for a lot of players. Its this kind of gameplay that will bring pve players that not too keen on the pvp aspect into the game. If we don't get these people, it will be a empty shell of a sandbox game where we just have a niche group of pvp players talking smack to each other in pvc.

Dygz

Had a bit of RP fun with @JarecTharen and @JustVine via chat bubbles during the Siege test today.

Hour-long Siege. Which was pretty fun.
I typically only like PvP for about an hour, so it ended just as my interest was beginning to wane.

I was able to see that my podcast co-host, Legendary Neurotoxin, was online via the chatbox, even though he wasn't near me. Stumbled upon him during the Siege. We ended up at the same Ballista.

Grihm

Dygz wrote: »

Had a bit of RP fun with @JarecTharen and @JustVine via chat bubbles during the Siege test today.

Hour-long Siege. Which was pretty fun.
I typically only like PvP for about an hour, so it ended just as my interest was beginning to wane.

So chat bubbles are in the test?
Really? That is very uplifting if so.

Are there any options to alter them in any way? Include / exclude options, and do they have a visible range between characters?

Dygz

I didn't try to alter them.
And I didn't really pay attention to visible range.
I guess we could try to test that next week.

Grihm

Dygz wrote: »

I didn't try to alter them.
And I didn't really pay attention to visible range.
I guess we could try to test that next week.

If you could, i would really appreciate it. I don´t want you to set aside any amount of time specifically of course in your test phase, but if you are using it and happen to take notice, i would be very interested. Thank you for the offer.

Vhaeyne

ThexBlackxKnight wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I am extremely skeptical that any of what you just said will happen the way you described.

Its not a make believe thing , this stuff has happen in mmos before , Ultima Online and Star War Galaxies both had heavy player interactions on a social level , its just the 'living world" gameplay hasn't been done in a longtime for a mmorpg which will make it new for a lot of players. Its this kind of gameplay that will bring pve players that not too keen on the pvp aspect into the game. If we don't get these people, it will be a empty shell of a sandbox game where we just have a niche group of pvp players talking smack to each other in pvc.

Heavy social interactions and RP are not the same thing. I am more than willing to party with you, war with you, trade with you, crack open a few beers and chat on discord with you after downing a raid boss. All great social interaction made possible in any MMORPG and reasons why I love the genre.

I am not willing to RP as my character in game. If I were to do that, I would not need more than the baseline tools such as chat channels, emotes, and chairs.

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